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Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

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Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

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Are you going to make a substantive claim or just throw around accusations with no foundation?

Running effectively a MITM service for SSL then blasting private keys all over the internet might be a good example.

Blasting private keys? [Citation Needed]

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

#112
post #97

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What tools are you using for internal analytics? Streaming logs into something like GoAccess?

Streaming structured JSON access logs from nginx into an ElasticSearch via logagent-js, and then query via kibana. But goaccess is fine if you just want quick aggregate information!

Thanks, may I ask how you are processing visitor locations? IP through some geo services?

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

#113
post #97

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Streaming structured JSON access logs from nginx into an ElasticSearch via logagent-js, and then query via kibana. But goaccess is fine if you just want quick aggregate information!

Thanks, may I ask how you are processing visitor locations? IP through some geo services?

nginx has a geoip module that you can use.

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

#114
post #107

It is great that they provide an analytics without tracking or ads, but then if it is free what is the business model behind it? Is it only an entry-point to attract people on other paid services?

We hope you’ll see all the things Cloudflare can do and sign up for our other services. Lead gen. Simple.

Cloudflare offers a ton of free services in hopes you get attached to it and like it enough to try out their paid stuff.

So far Cloudflare cdn in my experience is much faster than google or Amazon. Google cloud cdn really disappoints me. Cloudflare v8 isolate based edge workers are pretty phenomenal too.

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

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What is despicable about an analytics product that doesn't track people?

"An analytics product that doesn't track people" is nonsensical. It's like "water that isn't wet". Importantly, real trust on the internet is built on math and logic, not on faith. And faith, in this case, in a corporate institution which has spent years expending its fullest effort to direct as much of the flow of internet traffic through its servers as possible. I am never going to take you at your word that you wo…

No personal attacks please. We ban accounts that do that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

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Running effectively a MITM service for SSL then blasting private keys all over the internet might be a good example.

Blasting private keys? [Citation Needed]

Not that hard to find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudbleed

EDIT: Wait, you're the Cloudflare CEO and you don't know about Cloudbleed?

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

#118
post #14

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Assuming here we mean individual "sessions", eg. session cookies which are removed after you navigate away from the site. Will have to read their JS to see what they're doing.

Session cookies don't have to do with whether you stay on the site or not. They are tied to browser processes.

TIL, thanks!

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

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A custom Host header passed to the origin that differs from the actual Cloudflare-hosted subdomain, without changing its DNS resolution - correct. This would be helpful when the origin is hosted by an inflexible third party, or as a time saver to quickly switch between environments without needing to modify other parts of the infrastructure. Example 1: A third-party service does not support custom domains, only respo…

Unfortunately we (Cloudflare) can't allow Host header rewrites like this as they could be used to bypass other customers' Cloudflare security settings. However, both of your examples can be done with Workers. I wrote a more detailed explanation a while back here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058579

So it's okay for users savvy-enough to write Workers to bypass other customers' security settings - but not for self-serve point-and-click customers to do the same. Interesting. I suppose users of Workers are more likely to have a verified payment method and thus are less likely to be engaged in suspicious behavior. Thanks for the link.

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

#120
post #98

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The vast majority of bot traffic identifies itself though. Search engines from all over that you've never heard of, but they're all showing accurate user agents. I don't attribute every access by far, of course, but for a small website (with peaks to high HN ranks, so it's not unknown or that badly linked) it's manageable to tail -f the access log and see that the traffic you're getting matches what you expect after…

The vast majority of what I guess is "robotic, but javascript-running" traffic identifies itself as the (headless) browser it most likely uses, i.e. Chrome. When such crawlers use a distributed network of machines to crawl, there's no easy way to identify them as such, other than _guess_ that they're robotic in nature due to them coming from "data centre" like IPs (i.e. AWS, Azure, GCP, waht-have-you). While such req…

En masse, with a popular website, sure. But from my limited traffic website where I sometimes look at individual requests by hand and see that it's my friends from residential Dutch IP addresses loading the page, I'm quite sure these are no secret masqueraded internet robots. Hence I conclude that, since much of the traffic (in periods that I look at randomly, the vast majority I never look at) is identifiable as human or as clearly a crawler, such unidentifiable bot traffic is a very tiny percentage.

I'm sure it'll be there, lots of people will be interested in what differences a page shows from different vantage points or to robots, but it's probably less than a percent of all robot traffic.

Though checking the thread above mine, I'm not exactly sure what I was replying to. Didn't it say something about robot traffic that wasn't identifiable as such? I don't see that anymore.

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