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How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?

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Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?

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Post by tgv »

caspper69 wrote: post #36
exciteabletom wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to diminish rms and gnu's work in progressing software freedom and these programs are of course big contributions to a lot of Linux systems. However, I use i3 instead of gnome, systemd isn't a part of gnu, I also use Firefox instead of Epiphany. Should I refer to my system as gnu/i3/systemd/Mozilla/Linux? It's easier to refer to modular systems using the one guaranteed common element, in this case, the k…

You are correct, it is not necessary to specify every major user-space program. But with GNU/Linux, GNU is the operating system. In fact, there have been Linux distros ported to run on *BSD kernels. It's more like this: the whole OS is GNU (the coreutils), minus the kernel (most of which is device drivers). That's why they do it. Or at least why there are those that are passionate about the naming. Also the reason wh…

> coreutils

Including mindbogglingly complex tools such as wc and y.

> most of which is device drivers

Dull stuff that every bootcamp graduate can write.

I think you've captured the essence of why people thing "GNU/Linux" is such a pedantic moniker.

Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?

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Post by Jaruzel »

bombcar wrote: post #68
rozab wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That slide is just shocking. Freddie Mercury? It's like this sketch but real life https://youtu.be/y8OnoxKotPQ

What's scary is Hue bulbs are some of the MORE performant of the IoT stuff I have - and work when offline. That second part is the key - so much stuff is designed "cloud first" and that introduces lots of delays and errors when the Internet isn't working perfectly.

Yup, If you are prepared to crank out some JSON to your Hue hub, you can 100% control them offline. I do this via scripts for my Hue based outside lights. My Hue Hub is blocked from accessing the internet too.

Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?

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Post by djeiasbsbo »

jankotek wrote: post #38
rich_sasha wrote: post #34

50 users saying the lightbulb at their house is working, so it must be a configuration error. Suggest looking at the output of lgtconfig -v to debug.

Not so funny with modern IoT, maybe firmware upgrade is needed or restart wireless router :)

Oh you get to control your IOT smart lamps with a command line tool and not a proprietary iOS app with a login gate? Fancy.

Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?

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Post by aidenn0 »

cheaprentalyeti wrote: post #88

I remember back in the old days there was a whole stack of this sort of joke. It started with "How many electrical engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?" "We'll fix the problem in software!" "How many software engineers does it take to change..." All the way through to "How many Microsoft executives does it take to change a lightbulb?" "Darkness. The new standard from Microsoft!" Bonus points for those who co…

Apple was at its nadir at that point so the "How doea an apple engineer change the lightbulb" was "He sticks the bulb in the socket and waits for the world to revolve around him"

Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?

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Post by Chris2048 »

csunbird wrote: post #39
aequitas wrote: post #2

> The father of the first user, who while everyone was discussing, went to the shop and bought the cheapest lightbulb. Of course it doesn't end there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbSehcT19u0 (lightbulb scene from Malcolm in the Middle).

I think the term for that is "Shaving the Yak" https://seths.blog/2005/03/dont_shave_that/ (I am not associated with this site)

I'm not sure if that's really yak shaving. Usually it means having to fix thing A to fix thing B.

But in Hals case he simply discovers other problems and gets distracted, e.g. He could still change the bulb before he fixes the shelf.

Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?

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Post by saalweachter »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #104
torcete wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Including you, and now me saying that it should be 1300, but with my answer it is in fact 1301 :D

No, GGP didn't count himself, GP pointed that out and also did count himself, so 1301 was correct, but now we're at 1303.

Point of clarification: is the father of the first user actually a GNU/Linux user?

Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?

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Post by scrps »

Sandhose wrote: post #105
rich_sasha wrote: post #34

50 users saying the lightbulb at their house is working, so it must be a configuration error. Suggest looking at the output of lgtconfig -v to debug.

They are probably using "systemd-lightd", so the right command would be "lightctl status".

Be aware you need to pass:

lightctl --user --room # command

Per room session otherwise you'll control all the lighting and annoy other users.

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