A. One. And then let one GNU user call BSD user to change a bulb.
How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?
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Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't want to diminish rms and gnu's work in progressing software freedom and these programs are of course big contributions to a lot of Linux systems. However, I use i3 instead of gnome, systemd isn't a part of gnu, I also use Firefox instead of Epiphany. Should I refer to my system as gnu/i3/systemd/Mozilla/Linux? It's easier to refer to modular systems using the one guaranteed common element, in this case, the k…
> It's easier to refer to modular systems using the one guaranteed common element, in this case, the kernel. but, it's not. you can use e.g. debian/kFreeBSD or debian/hurd and the actual day-to-day user experience is pretty much exactly the same
Conversely, if you get a root shell on an Android device and muck around for a bit, it feels very, very different from your typical Linux desktop or server. (Which only proves your point.)
Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?
#6350 users saying the lightbulb at their house is working, so it must be a configuration error. Suggest looking at the output of lgtconfig -v to debug.
Not so funny with modern IoT, maybe firmware upgrade is needed or restart wireless router :)
After debugging configuration error for last 7 days, where even logs didn't help because manufacturer decided to use reference clock from different pin which was not documented officially to be able to do this - moder IoT sucks, because chip manufacturers release documentation as confidential and then firmware is implemented by hardware guys. As a programmer who can design some simple digital circuits, I could very mean things about HW guys doing SW/Fw, but I can see how much my HW skills suck and how funny my designs look from the other side.
Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't want to diminish rms and gnu's work in progressing software freedom and these programs are of course big contributions to a lot of Linux systems. However, I use i3 instead of gnome, systemd isn't a part of gnu, I also use Firefox instead of Epiphany. Should I refer to my system as gnu/i3/systemd/Mozilla/Linux? It's easier to refer to modular systems using the one guaranteed common element, in this case, the k…
You are correct, it is not necessary to specify every major user-space program. But with GNU/Linux, GNU is the operating system. In fact, there have been Linux distros ported to run on *BSD kernels. It's more like this: the whole OS is GNU (the coreutils), minus the kernel (most of which is device drivers). That's why they do it. Or at least why there are those that are passionate about the naming. Also the reason wh…
You forgort to mention that the actual reason to call it GNU/Linux is not so much these technical details, but to attract attention to the GNU project and its fight for freedom (while Linux is just "open-source").
Upd: https://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html
Quote: Granted that the GNU Project deserves credit for this work, is it really worth a fuss when people don't give credit? Isn't the important thing that the job was done, not who did it? You ought to relax, take pride in the job well done, and not worry about the credit.
This would be wise advice, if only the situation were like that—if the job were done and it were time to relax. If only that were true! But challenges abound, and this is no time to take the future for granted. Our community's strength rests on commitment to freedom and cooperation. Using the name GNU/Linux is a way for people to remind themselves and inform others of these goals.
Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?
#65This was my introduction for the FOSDEM IOT devroom: https://archive.fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/iotwelcome/ https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/986006653605687296 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZ4KMM94yI
That slide is just shocking. Freddie Mercury? It's like this sketch but real life
Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?
#6650 users saying the lightbulb at their house is working, so it must be a configuration error. Suggest looking at the output of lgtconfig -v to debug.
Not so funny with modern IoT, maybe firmware upgrade is needed or restart wireless router :)
People used to laugh that "reboot your phone/car" was humorous, now "reboot your lightbulb" is a real action that has to be taken at times.
Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?
#67> 350 to ask the previous user what God is he talking about, and that if he has scientific proofs of His existence.
Oh, this is where HN gets on the topic.
Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?
#68This was my introduction for the FOSDEM IOT devroom: https://archive.fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/iotwelcome/ https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/986006653605687296 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZ4KMM94yI
That slide is just shocking. Freddie Mercury? It's like this sketch but real life https://youtu.be/y8OnoxKotPQ
What's scary is Hue bulbs are some of the MORE performant of the IoT stuff I have - and work when offline.
That second part is the key - so much stuff is designed "cloud first" and that introduces lots of delays and errors when the Internet isn't working perfectly.
Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not so funny with modern IoT, maybe firmware upgrade is needed or restart wireless router :)
After debugging configuration error for last 7 days, where even logs didn't help because manufacturer decided to use reference clock from different pin which was not documented officially to be able to do this - moder IoT sucks, because chip manufacturers release documentation as confidential and then firmware is implemented by hardware guys. As a programmer who can design some simple digital circuits, I could very m…
In IoT only one person is needed to change a light bulb. But it will take 7 days of soldering, debuging and reverse engineering :)
Re: How many GNU/Linux users are needed to change a light bulb?
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are correct, it is not necessary to specify every major user-space program. But with GNU/Linux, GNU is the operating system. In fact, there have been Linux distros ported to run on *BSD kernels. It's more like this: the whole OS is GNU (the coreutils), minus the kernel (most of which is device drivers). That's why they do it. Or at least why there are those that are passionate about the naming. Also the reason wh…
You forgort to mention that the actual reason to call it GNU/Linux is not so much these technical details, but to attract attention to the GNU project and its fight for freedom (while Linux is just "open-source"). Upd: https://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html Quote: Granted that the GNU Project deserves credit for this work, is it really worth a fuss when people don't give credit? Isn't the important thing that the…
Yes, it's the same reason to say Free Software, or FLO[1] Software, instead of Open Source Software. Technically the definitions are the same, but they have a different political message.
[1] Acronym for free/libre/open