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French watchdog fines Google, Amazon for breaching cookies rules

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Re: French watchdog fines Google, Amazon for breaching cookies rules

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Post by oefrha »

landerwust wrote: post #7
bzb6 wrote: post #3

This cookie insanity has to stop. Instead of adding popups everywhere, users should’ve been trained to use the options of their browsers, which have existed for decades.

If any browser vendor just pushed a trivial standard like X-Consent: no-cookies X-Consent: cookies-ok Sites would have gobbled that header up overnight, and the other browsers would have received substantial pressure to follow. But it's a missed beat by now, nobody is paying to have hundreds of thousands of web sites updated for such a thing even if it did exist. Sucks none of the major browser vendors are based in E…

cough DNT cough

Re: French watchdog fines Google, Amazon for breaching cookies rules

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Post by robin_reala »

landerwust wrote: post #7
bzb6 wrote: post #3

This cookie insanity has to stop. Instead of adding popups everywhere, users should’ve been trained to use the options of their browsers, which have existed for decades.

If any browser vendor just pushed a trivial standard like X-Consent: no-cookies X-Consent: cookies-ok Sites would have gobbled that header up overnight, and the other browsers would have received substantial pressure to follow. But it's a missed beat by now, nobody is paying to have hundreds of thousands of web sites updated for such a thing even if it did exist. Sucks none of the major browser vendors are based in E…

The good thing is we only have to look at the abject failure of do-not-track to see that this approach categorically doesn’t work.

Re: French watchdog fines Google, Amazon for breaching cookies rules

#13

Post by aenario »

landerwust wrote: post #7
bzb6 wrote: post #3

This cookie insanity has to stop. Instead of adding popups everywhere, users should’ve been trained to use the options of their browsers, which have existed for decades.

If any browser vendor just pushed a trivial standard like X-Consent: no-cookies X-Consent: cookies-ok Sites would have gobbled that header up overnight, and the other browsers would have received substantial pressure to follow. But it's a missed beat by now, nobody is paying to have hundreds of thousands of web sites updated for such a thing even if it did exist. Sucks none of the major browser vendors are based in E…

Not quite sure if this is sarcasm ?

The do not track header is about 10 years old, ans was promptly ignored by all websites

     DNT: 1
     DNT: 0

Re: French watchdog fines Google, Amazon for breaching cookies rules

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Post by random5634 »

Folks - you control your browser / if cookies accepted / how long to keep them.

While scammers rip folks off for huge amounts each year (Microsoft technical support scams etc) regulators are busy with this.

I just wish there was a button that said I accept all cookies and I’d never see these damn pop ups again.

Re: French watchdog fines Google, Amazon for breaching cookies rules

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Post by jeanjogr »

bzb6 wrote: post #3

This cookie insanity has to stop. Instead of adding popups everywhere, users should’ve been trained to use the options of their browsers, which have existed for decades.

I agree: any company which does not respect DNT should be heavily fined at a minimum, with executives in jail. This would ensure fast adoption.

Re: French watchdog fines Google, Amazon for breaching cookies rules

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Post by 05 »

landerwust wrote: post #7
bzb6 wrote: post #3

This cookie insanity has to stop. Instead of adding popups everywhere, users should’ve been trained to use the options of their browsers, which have existed for decades.

If any browser vendor just pushed a trivial standard like X-Consent: no-cookies X-Consent: cookies-ok Sites would have gobbled that header up overnight, and the other browsers would have received substantial pressure to follow. But it's a missed beat by now, nobody is paying to have hundreds of thousands of web sites updated for such a thing even if it did exist. Sucks none of the major browser vendors are based in E…

Ah, the RFC 3514 approach..

Re: French watchdog fines Google, Amazon for breaching cookies rules

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Post by landerwust »

aenario wrote: post #13
landerwust wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If any browser vendor just pushed a trivial standard like X-Consent: no-cookies X-Consent: cookies-ok Sites would have gobbled that header up overnight, and the other browsers would have received substantial pressure to follow. But it's a missed beat by now, nobody is paying to have hundreds of thousands of web sites updated for such a thing even if it did exist. Sucks none of the major browser vendors are based in E…

Not quite sure if this is sarcasm ? The do not track header is about 10 years old, ans was promptly ignored by all websites DNT: 1 DNT: 0

Hrm fair point. I'm not sure DNT could have been repurposed to imply consent under much newer regulations, but you're generally right, this mechanism predated the EU regs and somehow was passed up.

Re: French watchdog fines Google, Amazon for breaching cookies rules

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Post by progval »

random5634 wrote: post #14

Folks - you control your browser / if cookies accepted / how long to keep them. While scammers rip folks off for huge amounts each year (Microsoft technical support scams etc) regulators are busy with this. I just wish there was a button that said I accept all cookies and I’d never see these damn pop ups again.

Wouldn't websites fail in obscure ways if you disabled cookies? That would mean few people would disable them, so in turn web developers wouldn't care about making the errors less obscure, etc.

Re: French watchdog fines Google, Amazon for breaching cookies rules

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Post by scambier »

gpderetta wrote: post #8
bzb6 wrote: post #3

This cookie insanity has to stop. Instead of adding popups everywhere, users should’ve been trained to use the options of their browsers, which have existed for decades.

I did set DNT but I'm still getting tracked. I do not want to disable all cookies, I'm perfectly happy to use credential cookies or a shopping cart, I do not want to disable everything indiscriminately. Also I shouldn't have to out out.

> I do not want to disable all cookies, I'm perfectly happy to use credential cookies or a shopping cart

The cookie banner that you have to refuse/accept only concerns cookies that are not necessary for the proper functioning of the site. So login cookies or shopping cart are unaffected by the consent, and if your site has nothing else than this, it does not need to ask for consent.

Re: French watchdog fines Google, Amazon for breaching cookies rules

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Post by hef19898 »

ptsneves wrote: post #5
hadrien01 wrote: post #2

Google is fined 100 millions because tracking cookies are saved on the device before opting-in AND after opting-out, and because the cookie modal isn't clear enough. [1] Amazon is fined 35 millions for similar reasons, but the amount is lower because they acknowledged and fixed the issues in September 2020. [2] [1] https://www.cnil.fr/en/cookies-financial-penalties-60-millio... [2] https://www.cnil.fr/en/cookies-fina…

Typical Google. Let us not even get started with the impossibility of loading Google in private mode without needing to agree to everything. Rejecting all is a dance that takes more time and mental resources than the amount i want to spend for the few times I want to turn on private mode and search something. My colleagues have also declared defeat and just accept everything. Hope the fine bites.

And after Google, everyone else. I am so annoyed by sites making it a real struggle rejecting cookies. Most of the time, I just don't use those anymore. Not sure if that helps, so.
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