Elon Musk moves to Texas • Hacker News Board

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by bradlys » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:52 AM UTC

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At last count I've had 14 friends move out of California in the last 3 years. All of them middle class. The biggest reasons given are cost of living and quality of life and education for their kids.

I'm planning on leaving as well. Decided to spend a small stint in Lake Tahoe before leaving the state for good, but I'm not staying here. It's too left / socialist for me, and I look forward to the day I no longer have give the California government another penny.

California is extremely neoliberal. I can’t imagine a place that is much more...

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 6:09 AM UTC

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Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

And before you bash Texas... The problem is that most people on HN, and elsewhere on the internet, got everything they know about Texas from watching cartoons on TV. (Same for their knowledge of religion.) They enjoy repeating half-century-old stereotypes while turning a blind eye to their own region's failings. It's geographic fanboyism. /Lived in Texas for five years. Also lived in 13 other states. Would return to…

I lived in Austin for a summer, my dash board melted. I just wouldn’t like it because of the weather, but also the urban planning strikes me as fairly unsustainable (lots of sprawl, frontage roads everywhere). But mostly the weather, dashboards are expensive.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by jonas_kgomo » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 6:23 AM UTC

The thing about the exodus is that it is a harbinger of an online community that resembles SF. The pandemic and the fires accelerated the idea of moving out, ofcourse many people in the past including Elon Musk, Palmer Lucky, etc wanted to be out. In this scenario , exit is becoming more than voice. Most of the things that make SF great are being uploaded to the cloud through various programs like Reforge, SUS, Pioneer, OnDeck. It is becoming more interesting to build in the cloud.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by SllX » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 6:24 AM UTC

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Abusing police powers to curtail private property rights isn’t the high ground.

It is. The government is expected to prevent tragedy-of-the-commons troubles, spite houses, and other anti-social troubles. This is largely why we even have a government. Suppose a person buys a house to retire in, on a peaceful quiet little street with plenty of room to park. The neighbors then build: an 80-story apartment tower, a supervised injection place for IV drug users, an organometalic peroxide production pl…

Philosophizing about why we have governments, self-executing organizations which can write new laws which become reasons for their existence, is a fools errand.

But there are good reasons we ought to have governments, and fewer reasons we ought to have a State. I would sum those up as keeping the four horsemen at bay, adjudicating disputes and delivering justice. A few decent reasons too, such as accelerating R&D with their justifiable actions, but pretty much everything else is an abuse of power and tax authority.

Also your examples are ridiculous. There are few places in the world where you can just throw up an 80 story apartment building, and even fewer people who can afford to to spite their neighbors. A world where police powers are not abused to the extreme that they are is also not one without a quiet place to retire without an organometallic peroxide plant nearby, nor one without remedies if a neighbor chooses to break ground on such a project.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by icedistilled » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 6:27 AM UTC

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Let me rephrase your comment. It says the exact same thing you do: >"You have it better than poor people in third world countries, stop complaining about worker abuses you below the poverty line minimum wage people, you should be grateful. Yes since 1970 you're wealth has stagnated or decreased and the top earners have massively increased their share of the pie, but you should be grateful.!!"

I don't think he's saying that they should stop complaining. He's saying they don't realize what they have, they are not thankful for anything and they keep dramatizing over everything.

I actually stopped reading after the statement "[minimum wage] Americans are ungrateful, lack perspective and are entitled". Because a statement like that is kinda toxic and doesn't help anyone but the top 1% who've hoarded all the gains over the last few decades. Reading the rest now, I'm actually even more displeased at the poster's take. While it's very true some minimum wage earning americans are not understanding or hostile to immigration, this person seems to be wanting to stir trouble among groups of people who have the least in america. Immigrants and minimum wage workers both get the short end of the stick.

Telling a minimum wage worker who likely can't afford rent and are probably below the poverty line, they should be grateful because there's "starving children in africa" sounds patronizing, entitled, lacking empathy, and does no help anyone. It does not help the minimum wage worker or people in the other countries.

In America, the top one percent holds over $25 trillion in wealth, exceeding the wealth of the bottom 80 percent. That other people have it worse than the bottom of the 80 percent is only to distract from that bigger issue.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by nickthemagicman » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 6:46 AM UTC

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What are unrecognized capital gains?

Imagine the house you live in is worth $250,000. And imagine paying "asset" taxes on that $250,000 home even though you still live there.

But but does the gov't pay you if the house price goes down?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by aluminum96 » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 7:08 AM UTC

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Having grown up gay in North Texas and then moved to California for college, I strenuously object to your assertion that "folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexist here." It's truly leaps and bounds more accepting for LGBT people in California than in North Texas.

Depends where in Texas and where in California no? If you grew up outside Bakersfield and then moved to Austin for college would the reverse not also be true?

I moved from North Dallas to South Bay, so I think it's actually a pretty apples-to-apples comparison: both places are basically semi-dense suburbs just outside the urban core, with lots of jobs.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by didibus » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 7:24 AM UTC

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I know everyone likes to scape goat some policies for that, but as Occam razors would have it, I think it's just the population growth that was the main cause of price increase, and a population decrease would probably result in a price decrease.

> I think it's just the population growth that was the main cause of price increase Population growth without commensurate growth in housing . You can add people, but you gotta let them build houses. If you don't, then prices rise, for reasons that are very easy to understand if you're not financially (or otherwise) motivated to find them confusing.

Building houses isn't free, and when there's a huge demand for land to build on, and all the land is already taken, prices to build the house jack up, and everything follows. Find me a single city anywhere with similar growth that didn't have housing and rental cost go up and maybe I'll reconsider. But right now, I stand by the most simple explanation as likely the cause.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by dodobirdlord » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 7:24 AM UTC

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Yes, it both drives home prices up and robs the state of taxes. It would also devastate many people already invested if it went away overnight; there's not really an easy solution to fixing it.

Repeal it ASAP for commercial properties and rental properties (even if SFH). For single-family, owner-occupied housing, remove Prop 13 provisions for new sales, but grandfather in all current owners until their death or 20 years, whichever is sooner. After which their assessed values are gradually (say over 5 years) allowed to rise to the fair market value. Force a reassessment upon the property being inherited, and…

There's also the approach of allowing property taxes to be accrued as liens on the property owned by the government, to be paid on the death of the owner or the sale of the property. This ensures that retired people are protected from paying high property taxes, as was originally intended, while ensuring that there's no actual tax break, just a deferment.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by danielscrubs » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 7:51 AM UTC

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Pretty interesting to see how much glee many people take in anything negative about California. What is that about? No other state gets so much hate.

My hypothesis: it's a direct reaction to so many media and entertainment business being based in California, making it appear from the outside like Californians are especially smug about their state.

From an outsiders perspective, even in HN there have been people saying that if you didn’t like SF then you are just not enough sophisticated nor enough out doors to appreciate it so I can definitely understand where the smugness talk is coming from. But I think it’s a necessary smugness if that makes sense, if you want talent to gather to a specific place you have to be ruthless in marketing for that place, but of course that will create a backlash when people actually visit.