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Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by pavlov » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 4:08 AM UTC

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> Do you have any references of English actually being phased-out in EU? It's not clear yet if it will be used in official documents after Brexit agreements will be signed, but UK was the only country who chose English as an official language. There's an hard requirement in EU to translate every official document in every language spoken in the EU, if English is not an official language, that requirement will cease t…

Funny side-note: Sweden never registered Swedish as an official language to the EU because they thought it would be a waste of EU funds to translate all documents to Swedish, since most people there can get along in English. Then Finland went ahead and ruined it by registering both Finish and Swedish as their official languages (they have a Swedish minority there) :)

It’s a good story, but Finland and Sweden joined EU at the same time in 1995, so there wouldn’t actually have been a period when Sweden was a member but Swedish wasn’t an official language.

Of course the Swedes would like to blame things on Finland if they can ;)

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by pezezin » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 4:09 AM UTC

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While Irish/Gaelic language is a thing it's mostly ceremonial and people on the street know it poorly, with no knowledge to even superficial conversation. Irish language has no use in Ireland. Even tho it is "official", it's useless

I don't agree it's "useless" but I can see your point. We don't learn it for commerce or for historical/cultural insight. We learn it to know who were are. Imagine telling a bunch of Jews that Hebrew was a load of nonsense and they're better off learning German, French or Spanish. I would agree though that the level of spoken Irish amongst the general population of Ireland is poor. For them it's not about more opport…

Your comparison is funny because Shepardi Jews speak Ladino, a language derived from old Spanish:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardi_Jews

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaeo-Spanish

The expulsion of the Jews is a specially sad part of our history, some families still keep the keys of their old houses after 5 centuries. A few years ago a law was passed so their descendants could claim Spanish nationality without the usual requirements applied to people from other nationalities.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by dannylandau » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 4:16 AM UTC

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Disjoined markets aren't necessary such a big issue. Israel manages to do well, for example. Usually opening a US office is the common method overcoming that issue.

Is there even one unicorn originating from Israel though?

Apparently based on this website, there are over 41 and counting -- https://www.techaviv.com/unicorns

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by joelbluminator » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:00 AM UTC

cabalamat wrote: post #561

joelbluminator wrote: post #475

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> Imagine telling a bunch of Jews that Hebrew was a load of nonsense and they're better off learning German, French or Spanish. You mean Israelis right? Many jews outside Israel don't know Hebrew.

I'm sure there are plenty of Jews outside Israel who have opinions on Hebrew, and I'm sure some are glad it is used even if they personally don't speak it.

Some are glad, others dont care. Depends on how religious you were brought up. Especially in the US, where younger jews are increasingly secularised, I don't think many care that much. Does Mark Zuckerberg care about Hebrew? Last I heard he learned Chinese.

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Post by joelbluminator » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:04 AM UTC

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #563

joelbluminator wrote: post #475

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> Imagine telling a bunch of Jews that Hebrew was a load of nonsense and they're better off learning German, French or Spanish. You mean Israelis right? Many jews outside Israel don't know Hebrew.

Hebrew was a language perpetuated by Jews around the world for centuries before the state of Israel was founded. Even today, Jews anywhere doing a bar mitzvah ceremony must read some Hebrew. Sure, Israel is the country where Hebrew was restored as an everyday spoken language, but Israelis are not the only Jews for whom Hebrew is important.

Its imporrant either for religious reasons or national ones (zionism). There are many young jews in the U.S who are increasingly neither. Even if they support Israel they don't see a reason why they should actively live there or learn Hebrew. So most don't know Hebrew. Reciting a prayer yes, some do that.

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Post by eru » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:05 AM UTC

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How many of those were put together by governments? (Airbus has pretty heavy government involved, to be fair.)

In short, pretty much all of them were either established or sustained by the government. Even to a greater extent than in the US, as a several of the EU giants descent from privatized national companies.

The state sponsored champions are more of a French thing. For a variety of reasons, French companies don't 'want' to grow so big otherwise.

The Germans on the other hand, you can't keep them from forming giant trusts and cartels if you wanted to.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by nine_k » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:14 AM UTC

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #566

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Hebrew has a number of sacred books written in it. This us why it was preserved through centuries by faithful Jews, who read these books basically daily. It was and is a strong part of ethnic and religious identity. A similar situation is with Quran and classical Arabic, even though it's not an everyday spoken language in (most of) Arabic world. AFAICT Irish does not enjoy a similar status. If you want to hear a more…

Welsh is not a "Gaelic language". It doesn’t even belong to the same branch of the Celtic language family as Irish, Manx and Scottish Gaelic.

Thanks, TIL!

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Post by 6510 » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:26 AM UTC

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I don't know why OP is so bitter and wants to emigrate but in general, English is not about moving to another place but doing business beyond local. The Netherlands and Scandinavia accounts for the most of the European global tech output and this is not because Spaniards don't know how to code. The Dutch and people in the Scandinavian countries are so proficient in English that they do products like the Americans. Kn…

> English is not about moving to another place but doing business beyond local. There are "only" 379 million people speaking English as a native language. But there are 1.2 billion people speaking English as a second language, which means that there are more people speaking English that do not actually speak "proper" English, than people speaking it because they were born with it. The outcome is that > About 75% of t…

As a dutch subject I have to agree. When Americans talk about social security and healthcare they seem to attempt to do it (read "fail") from a purely selfish angle. What seems like a complete lack of empathy born out of a selfish culture where no one has your back is really just my linguistic shortcommerings. Jokes aside (not really) Its pretty funny if you think about it. Europe wants to build a cute union that nurtures the citizens into a bunch of weaklings while team America wants their country to be this big hungry monster that hunts you down and eats you. Clearly non of this is right but migrating from the US to the EU would seem the best experience.

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Post by deepnotderp » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 5:33 AM UTC

neolog wrote: post #489

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>> Besides, what are the other options? How about fund university research in related technology, reduce regulation that inhibits free enterprise, open financial markets to support capital formation, lower taxes on capital gains, enforce anti-trust regulation, and cross your fingers and hope some comes from it in 20 years. You could also spend trillions of dollars on a high tech military industrial complex. That help…

> lower taxes on capital gains How does that help semiconductor development?

More investment capital available since semi is a capital hungry industry.

Don't believe me? Just ask Robert Noyce, who lobbied for this for US semiconductor revival against Japan.

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Post by gostsamo » Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 6:53 AM UTC

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Yep, they keep them in concentration camps, which is totally different.

China also has concentration camps.

I'm talking about China, like it vs the US.

Edit: I've missed one "while" before they.