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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by devsquid »

Rapzid wrote: post #898
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Lord you bought this story hook line and sinker... > But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexist here. I like that... You hear this a lot lately from tech bros. It's hilarious considering how many things are illegal in Texas. Ya you can buy an assault rifle, but its illegal to buy hard liquor on Sunday. Have you ever looked at their gerrymandering? Did you know during th…

Both things are true. Hispanics are set to become the largest racial demographic soon. ~13% of the population is black. Houston is one of the, if not the depending on the report, racially diverse cities in the country. It's a bit self segregated geographically, but is pretty impressive and there is a lot of culture to be found. Large Asian community with substantial communities from countries that don't really exist…

Both what are true? Have you ever lived in Texas?

Yes the like most urban areas they trend left and more ethnically diverse. Thus Texas is also trending left. I'm not sure what your point is.

Is your point that change is coming for Texas? I totally agree with that, but I think it's going to be a longer and harder fight than most think. From my experience a lot of the white population there are some of the worse bigots I've ever met.

My point was it's not a very free state, lol there are just certain specific things allowed. And it has low taxes so it's great if you're already rich and successful.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by nickthemagicman »

mchusma wrote: post #131
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Covid is a classic trolly problem. Pull the lever and destroy the economy, put the government in debt, destroy businesses, send millions into poverty, hurt individuals futures, increase infant mortality, increase drug use/overdoses, hurt artists and destroy museums, increase suicides, and more. Don't pull the lever and kill a .01 percent of people above the age of 55 who won't stay quarantined. I think he thinks pull…

It's actually a trolley problem within a trolley problem! The decision whether to ban or approve the vaccines as they were developed was another example. The status quo is to ban vaccines until they meet criteria. Ban a vaccine for those over 65, avoid the possibility of a side effect 100x than ever experienced (there has never been a vaccine entering phase 1 trials with over 1 in 100,000 expected risk of death). All…

I'm open to people making their own minds instead of the government banning things in general!

We don't need daddy government'to keep us safe' or do things 'in our best interest'.

Every restriction of freedom is always couched as improving safety.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by jessaustin »

tyingq wrote: post #852
unnouinceput wrote: post #831

Quote: "With a net worth of $134.7B, Musk recently surpassed Bill Gates as the second-richest person in the world, and he's on track to earn more than $50 billion in stock options. If he remained in California, he’d be facing income taxes on the profits when he exercises them. In Texas, there is no income tax. " Rest is blah blah, this right there is the real reason for such a move. Can't blame the man either, I'll d…

No state income tax, but the property taxes in Texas are brutal. Typical sales taxes as well.

Unless he buys a really big house he will enjoy the regressive nature of property and sales taxes.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by rayiner »

Retric wrote: post #441
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But that's rather my point: if you're living just in the larger metro areas, you're choosing to insulate yourself from the rampant discrimination and bigotry that, numerically, forms the bulk of the electorate and shape the cultural mindset. To be clear, that's not a bad thing that people make that choice; I would, were in that position. If Texas voters will finally vote in someone who is more like Ann Richards than…

Turnout says far less about political views than you might think. Voter suppression is a common and effective tool used to keep a political party in power even as they loose popular support. All it takes is realizing changing X rule like a deadline will help or hurt your party and then voting based on that rule. Eventually this can fail, which oddly enough tends to flip states so they can quickly go from solidly part…

We just had a massive natural experiment in loosening voting laws that showed that “voter suppression” is less extensive than many people assume. Take Georgia for example. Turnout was up 20% compared to 2016. But the Black share of the electorate went down again, to the lowest levels since 2006: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/17/upshot/georgi.... What flipped Georgia was white voters in the Atlanta collar suburbs—and 100,000 people who voted for Biden but a Republican (or not at all).

And that’s exactly what you would expect from the data. Georgia is one of the few states in the country where Black voter registration rates are equal to registration rates for whites: https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/voting-and-voter-r.... (California, by contrast, has a 12 point difference in Black-white registration rates.) In 2018, the Black voter turnout rate was actually 2 points higher than the white voter turnout rate in Georgia. It makes total sense that as you increase turnout, you’re going to see roughly the same demographics.

Same thing in Texas. 87% of votes were cast by mail in ballot. Turn out was up almost 7 points compared to 2016. But Trump earned basically the same percentage of the vote as in 2016, with Biden gaining a few points from winning people who voted third party last time: https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/04/texas-voter-turnout-...

Democrats have this idea that voter suppression is preventing more minorities from coming out (and voting Democrat). But what the data seems to suggest in Georgia and Texas is that people who want to vote are already voting. Making it easier to vote or having a high states election will increase turnout, but by dipping into a pool of lower propensity voters who don’t look all that different demographically than the people who were already voting.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by nickthemagicman »

lazide wrote: post #134
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Oh I completely agree. But these two options seems to be the choices that are being discussed by the media and government. You're either pro Covid restrictions or you're a granny killer. I personally think we should quarantine the age 55+ crowd and let the people under 55 go about their business. The under age 55 group is like 80% of the population who have only 20,000 covid fatalities which is less than car accident…

How do you propose to isolate the > 55 age group when no one younger is isolating? Nurses, doctors, people they live with will be a vector and pass it to them. And the under 55 age group (at .11% IFR) is still not going to want out and blindly get infected as that is still hundreds of thousands of deaths - leading to them avoiding being out in sizable numbers and still causing economic problems. [Source: https://www.…

Here's the beauty of it. We don't forcefully isolate anyone.

We give the people the information and let them make up their own minds.

People can choose to leave quarantine or not.

We don't use government force.

Just like cigarettes.

We give them the information and let them think for themselves.

Giving people the freedom to think for themselves is a beautiful thing.

It's the basis of John Lockes natural rights which the founding fathers used as as a principle when writing the constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_thought

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by jessaustin »

st1x7 wrote: post #177

I guess he just doesn't want to pay state income tax. Tim Ferriss moved from California to Texas before Uber went public. Joe Rogan moved from California to Texas before he started working with Spotify. Any other relatively well known people that have done the same?

Limbaugh made a big deal out of leaving New York for Florida. That probably happened over a decade ago, and it was similarly semi-controversial.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by [deleted] »

ausjke wrote: post #781

this is nothing new and has been going on for decades, Texas vs CA is capitalism vs socialism, check who is winning these years. Don't forget CA has the best climate and seashores, otherwise people will flee like hell. sadly for those liberals who moved to Texas they can wait for one second to make Texas more like CA, the socialism ideology is a life long brain damage with no cure. Please don't california my texas!

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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by [deleted] »

aluminum96 wrote: post #775
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I grew up in Tyler but have lived in Austin for 15 years. I don't mean to be argumentative but you seem to be comparing Small town Texas with "Big City" California. I've vacationed in smaller towns in California and the conservative nature of those areas remind me a lot of Tyler,Texas.

Having grown up gay in Dallas, I didn't exactly have a great experience. While I'm sure Tyler is worse, even Dallas is not so accepting (unless you're planning to move to Oak Lawn and never leave your neighborhood).

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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by jessaustin »

leveredequity wrote: post #242
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probably sales and property taxes FWIW, broadly speaking, I'd rather see wealth taxes and estate taxes than income taxes. Income taxes disincentivize work, whereas wealth taxes penalize idleness.

How does income tax disincentivize work? You still generate positive income with a tax.

We get less of things that are taxed. That's why there are punitive taxes on liquor, cigarettes, etc.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by michael_rb »

J0_k3r wrote: post #737
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We will be moving out of CA in the coming months. We are lifelong residents. We are leaving due to cost of living and especially quality of life for our children.

you better vote red so your new state doesn't end up california 2.0

Proposition 13, which arguably had a hand in creating the housing problem that exists there today (alongside neighborhood efforts to pause any new housing development, something Austin is facing as well) was championed mostly by Howard Jarvis and Paul Gann, both of whom were conservative.

Anecdotal, but everyone I know who left California recently did so due to the high cost of housing, not because of their tax liabilities or a plastic straw ban. Kinda hard to be upset about having to give 9% of your income to the state when you have to give 50% if your income to the landlord (for an 80 year old, 350 sq ft studio heated by radiator in my case when I lived there).

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