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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by boringg »

fairity wrote: post #528
boringg wrote: post #489

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I'm talking solar and storage in this case. See CPUC's SGIP program ( https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/sgip/ ).

Got it. After looking into the details, it seems like Tesla received around ~$111M of additional benefit from SGIP due to being in-state. $111M isn't nothing, but I'm doubtful this is a big factor in Tesla's success. In-state incentive explanation: https://energycenter.org/sites/default/files/docs/nav/buildi... SGIP program budget here: https://www.selfgenca.com/budget_public/program_level_summar... In total, SGIP ha…

There’s a bunch of other programs as well. I think la times did a write up in the past. There’s the california solar initiative, an california ev program as well. Would love to have the time to run this all down for you but frankly kids + life in general doesn’t allow for that...

Edit: not the best source but has some of the govt programs www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html%3f_amp=true

I find it tough to imagine Tesla pulling off its trajectory in any other state from the early days. He’s had some good tailwinds from the state until this spring.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by TMWNN »

nemo wrote: post #517
sdljfjafsd wrote: post #413

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Is that really any different from any other state, including California? Rural vs urban culture are completely different in every state in America. As Californians we still insulate ourselves from rural culture. The only difference in California those counties don't form the bulk of the electorate while in Texas they do. We still have the same problem: a cultural divide between rural and urban.

I live in TX. I am very, very careful when I'm out in the sticks since the shitkickers are dangerous. I also lived in CA and even in the sticks out in central CA there's just nothing like the scale of xenophobic belligerence in rural TX (or the rest of the Bible Belt).

>I live in TX. I am very, very careful when I'm out in the sticks since the shitkickers are dangerous.

Put on a "Make America Great Again" hat and walk through downtown Chicago, San Francisco, Ann Arbor, or Cambridge before or after election day 2016 (or 2020). Now, put on a "I'm With Her" or "Biden/Harris 2020" shirt and walk through Provo, Fort Worth, Pensacola, or anywhere in "the sticks" of Texas or Oklahoma or Utah or Alabama before or after election day. In which scenario are you more like to be yelled at and/or physically attacked?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by notnap »

mwfunk wrote: post #778
woah wrote: post #572

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It's been a massive windfall to people who have been homeowners for 40 years in California. High rents due to the fact that you're not allowed to build new housing, high property taxes paid by new residents, while old residents pay nothing, high income and sales taxes to paper over the gap in the budget left by the lack of property tax paid by longtime residents. The whole system has been optimized to milk as much mo…

Not only that, but there's often comments about how people moving from CA to TX are fleeing the results of a presumably left wing tax code to enjoy the benefits of a presumably right wing tax code, but it's not that simple. CA is as expensive as it is in large part because of NIMBYs and tax schemes that were absolutely the product of right-wing ballot initiatives for the most part. OTOH, a large part of the appeal of…

If we take the water-flow economy, CA is absolutely on a full dependency of a federal government. Water is ain't cheap

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by jariel »

lwansbrough wrote: post #588
woah wrote: post #572

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It's been a massive windfall to people who have been homeowners for 40 years in California. High rents due to the fact that you're not allowed to build new housing, high property taxes paid by new residents, while old residents pay nothing, high income and sales taxes to paper over the gap in the budget left by the lack of property tax paid by longtime residents. The whole system has been optimized to milk as much mo…

If you don’t build luxury housing, affordable housing becomes luxury housing. San Francisco is a perfect example of NIMBY extremism and the damage it does to communities.

Just the opposite, every community has a right to decide their future.

If a community says 'we'd rather be homes and don't want to turn everything in to high-rises' then that's entirely their discretion.

It's definitely not any individual townships moral or civic responsibility to change their community to accommodate either state/national strategic planning, especially for the benefit of people who do not even live there.

There's plenty of physical space in Cali, if anything, the opportunity might be in Sacramento and in-between. If the FAANGs having trouble with salaries and bringing in people want, they can be part of this strategy.

I bet there are thousands of G staffers who'd live to live somewhere south of Morgan Hill, away from the city.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by rcpt »

woah wrote: post #584
fortran77 wrote: post #577

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> while old residents pay nothing This is patently false. Property taxes can and do raise 2%/year. California does need to build new housing.

You are quite simply wrong. Here is a map showing how next door neighbors frequently have a 10x difference in property taxes paid on equivalent dwellings: https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/map-bay-area-property-ta...

taxfairnessproject.org Worth a look

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by rcpt »

millstone wrote: post #802
rconti wrote: post #586

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Of course it's false. Old residents don't pay "nothing", they pay "next to nothing". Look up any house that changes hands after 40 years. The old owners were paying a tax liability an order of magnitude less than the new one.

Worse, if it changes hands through inheritance there is no step up in basis.

And as a result white families pay lower property taxes in California.

https://twitter.com/alfred_twu/status/1327821019931787264?s=...

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by zoomablemind »

scop wrote: post #195
itbeho wrote: post #183

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At last count I've had 14 friends move out of California in the last 3 years. All of them middle class. The biggest reasons given are cost of living and quality of life and education for their kids.

We will be moving out of CA in the coming months. We are lifelong residents. We are leaving due to cost of living and especially quality of life for our children.

> We are leaving due to cost of living and especially quality of life for our children.

Sorry for noseing-in, but could you elaborate on the part that affects the kids? What sort of factors are there, or what kind of expectations?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by notnap »

llampx wrote: post #797
the_economist wrote: post #760

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This is not completely true, as the cost to build high rise condos is extremely high and the land is very expensive. Every place in the USA that has kept housing affordable has done so with sprawl, which California's government doesn't allow. You can see a detailed study of it here: https://www.buildzoom.com/blog/cities-expansion-slowing

The land is very expensive, shouldn't that be good enough of a reason to build high rises? It works in NYC and most of Europe, the only reason there are few high rises in SF is because of the government that prefers artificial scarcity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1906_San_Francisco_earthquake enters chat

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by notnap »

beaner wrote: post #541
techsupporter wrote: post #277

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But that's rather my point: if you're living just in the larger metro areas, you're choosing to insulate yourself from the rampant discrimination and bigotry that, numerically, forms the bulk of the electorate and shape the cultural mindset. To be clear, that's not a bad thing that people make that choice; I would, were in that position. If Texas voters will finally vote in someone who is more like Ann Richards than…

I think you might be dismissing that even in suburban California, things are much closer to suburban Texas. California may seem like it's 100% different, but that's mostly because people only know San Francisco, LA, and the other coastal cities. CA has its other parts, too.

San Diego, Newport Beach and other "Beach" cities had trump boat rallies throughout this year. Just saying

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by notnap »

justchilly wrote: post #818
nouveaux wrote: post #805

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Crime has been coming down after prop 47 passed. This is such a common myth that I put the data into google sheets for these discussions. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QgrfJvfa8XaVm0MEfU4j...

You're looking at arrest data, not incident data. Very likely arrests are down because police deprioritized non-felony crimes post prop 47.

And then the bar of criminal charges for theft is getting higher and higher. In San Francisco nobody is getting bothered by a "criminal according to old stat rules" going through a row of parked cars smashing windows and grabbing everything in plain sight anymore. Not even arrest record would show up in modern stats. We are totally safe these days
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