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SpaceX launches and nearly lands starship on its first suborbital flight

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Re: SpaceX launches and nearly lands starship on its first suborbital flight

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post #11

i know they got the data they needed/wanted but can you really call it a success with that ending? on a side note: how much money do they lose whenever they have a crash landing like that?

Never heard of a test to destruction?

That's something entirely different, though. Test to destruction/failure is done to check or verify the limits of a systems.

This test on the other hand was a test with a low change of complete success and thus failure was an expected and acceptable - but not the intended - outcome.

Re: SpaceX launches and nearly lands starship on its first suborbital flight

#32
post #24

Does anyone know if the engines cutting out one by one was planned? Or was something going wrong with the engines?

Seems to be planned. Elon tweeted in response to Tim Dodd that the engines were "working great" on ascent.

Re: SpaceX launches and nearly lands starship on its first suborbital flight

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post #14
post #11

i know they got the data they needed/wanted but can you really call it a success with that ending? on a side note: how much money do they lose whenever they have a crash landing like that?

It depends on the goals of the launch. If they met their goal criteria, and sticking the landing wasn't one of the goals, then it's a success.

I'm pretty sure a successful landing was one of the goals. It just might have been a "nice to have"-kind of goal.

During prototyping there's only one type of test that isn't a success: a test that fails for a previously known reason (e.g. repeating a known mistake or some external factor like earthquakes, flooding or weather) and that you learned nothing from.

Re: SpaceX launches and nearly lands starship on its first suborbital flight

#34
post #23

>nearly lands (crashes) >protests mostly peaceful (until riot broke out) I am so tired of this media doublespeak.

First three-Raptor test. First high altitude test. First test of the steering flaps. First test of the belly flop maneuver.

All that, and it came very close to sticking the landing. Much closer than the first Falcon 9 flights did.

It's not inaccurate to call that a win.

Re: SpaceX launches and nearly lands starship on its first suborbital flight

#35
post #4

Great flight! Elon tweeted that the header tank pressure was low: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1336809767574982658 There was also a substantial green flame coming from the raptor engine used for landing. Group consensus over on /r/SpaceX is that it was copper burning. We're amazed the engine didn't explode sooner.

I think it was purging leftover hypergolic fuel, which is used to ignite the engines. Or, maybe the engine sensed the engine was abnormal (because of low fuel), so it tried to re-ignite. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triethylborane

Yo what's going on here? Is this some sort of misinformation campaign? To what end?? There's been a number of comments making this claim even though there's no reason to suggest this was the case.

Re: SpaceX launches and nearly lands starship on its first suborbital flight

#36
post #11

i know they got the data they needed/wanted but can you really call it a success with that ending? on a side note: how much money do they lose whenever they have a crash landing like that?

Yes, absolute success. All primary mission objectives achieved successfully AND all but one secondary objective achieved. Launch, ascent, MECO, controlled descent, turn and re-orient with nose thrusters, fire engines, decelerate, position over landing pad, in correct orientation, AND, most importantly, capture all mission telemetry and data until after ground contact.

As a mere spectator, I'll add they achieved ALL my additional personal objectives, including: end-to-end live video/audio transmission from multiple onboard and ground tracking cameras, conveniently streamed in the late afternoon for free, near-instant pre and post-test insights direct from Elon via Twitter, AND a perfectly-framed SPECTACULAR live explosion in HD to cap it all off. From my (somewhat self-centered) perspective, how could it have been any more successful?

As for your "losing money" question, I'm not sure that's much of a factor with SN8 because it was a test article not expected to probably survive. It didn't even have final or complete flight systems. If it had remained more intact after landing, perhaps they could have reused some raw materials eventually for future test articles but that also requires extensive inspection to re-validate, disassemble and integrate - all of which would consume scarce schedule time, assembly space and the limited time of skilled personnel able to build final Starships. IHMO, SpaceX wisely prioritizes speed and learning over testing costs or PR optics.

The biggest unexpected cost may just be the "cleanup on aisle SN8" but they probably didn't expect SN8 would reach the landing pad as on-target as it did and may have budgeted even more time/money for clean-up than they'll need since it was pretty dang tidy for a RUD. I guess an over-water loss might be a bit faster/cheaper to reset but then they would have lost higher priority objectives and we wouldn't have had such a SWEET front-row ticket to the finale :-).

Re: SpaceX launches and nearly lands starship on its first suborbital flight

#38
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For whatever reason, Wired preferred the clickbait title, but the opening sentence of the article is: "On Wednesday afternoon, SpaceX successfully launched—and nearly landed—a fully-assembled prototype of its next generation Starship rocket on a suborbital flight from its facility in south Texas."

The Wired article was full of misleading information (implying that the rocket failed to reach space, when that was never a mission objective) and outright lies (stating that the Starship is a scaled-up Falcon 9, the name of the Starship+SuperHeavy combo, the number of engines that the system will have, etc, etc).

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Re: SpaceX launches and nearly lands starship on its first suborbital flight

#39
post #11

i know they got the data they needed/wanted but can you really call it a success with that ending? on a side note: how much money do they lose whenever they have a crash landing like that?

Fair question, I think one of their goals is to maximize the lessons/takeaways they get from minor failures like this and be able to recalibrate effectively on the next launches.

Just like bare scientific method of trial and error.

Re: SpaceX launches and nearly lands starship on its first suborbital flight

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it was purging leftover hypergolic fuel, which is used to ignite the engines. Or, maybe the engine sensed the engine was abnormal (because of low fuel), so it tried to re-ignite. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triethylborane

Yo what's going on here? Is this some sort of misinformation campaign? To what end?? There's been a number of comments making this claim even though there's no reason to suggest this was the case.

I don't think it's malicious, it's just a lot of amateur speculation in the absence of an official report.
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