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It is pretty weird that Musk repeatedly insisted on calling the experienced well respected diver a sex criminal, and faced zero consequences for this.
He faced a tone of consequences, just not criminal or civil charges in a court.
I never could understand how what he said wasn't considered defamation. If that's not defamation, what is?
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Recording internal meetings to raise an issue isn't the best way to deal with the situation. I'm not surprised she was let go. The company probably saw this as dangerous behavior.
She only started recording meetings to collect evidence after being "bullied, humiliated, demoted and retaliated against in the most horrible way possible." Seems ... justified.
So if she admits that she did record these meetings without informing the other participants, then in this defamation case - a key part of which is about the claim in HuffingPost "She also illegally recorded internal conversations within Tesla without anyone’s permission, which is clearly criminal conduct" - she has a good chance to lose, as it's not defamation if it's true.
There are lots of problems here and it seems to me that Tesla is being a bully. Cristina Balan has a fundraiser page, at https://www.gofundme.com/f/a86fmm-fighting-tesla-for-defamin... and there is some text there from her, setting out some facts as she has seen them.
Bullying is when I push you over and take your milk. Tesla isn't a bully, Tesla has been part of the corporate capture of the American legal system, the CEO can literally call you a pedofile and be found not guilty of libel. If you're not powerful enough you can't even get a lawyer to represent you.
There are lots of problems here and it seems to me that Tesla is being a bully. Cristina Balan has a fundraiser page, at https://www.gofundme.com/f/a86fmm-fighting-tesla-for-defamin... and there is some text there from her, setting out some facts as she has seen them.
Bullying is when I push you over and take your milk. Tesla isn't a bully, Tesla has been part of the corporate capture of the American legal system, the CEO can literally call you a pedofile and be found not guilty of libel. If you're not powerful enough you can't even get a lawyer to represent you.
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She only started recording meetings to collect evidence after being "bullied, humiliated, demoted and retaliated against in the most horrible way possible." Seems ... justified.
As far as I understand, doing that (recording meetings without notifying other participants) is a crime in California ( https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-632.html ) and that justification does not make it permissible. So if she admits that she did record these meetings without informing the other participants, then in this defamation case - a key part of which is about the claim in HuffingPost "She als…
This would be different if it were the police illegally procuring evidence, under the 'fruit of the poisonous tree' theory, but here it's just a private citizen. So while she could surely be punished for breaking laws related to recording people, that doesn't seem to foreclose the possibility that she could use the recordings in court to prove her case.
This is hilarious, her gofundme is mostly funded by Tesla Shortsellers and they're not even hiding it... I haven't read her claims but this is amusing. Gregory Reyes $5,000 (shortseller) Donna Walker $1,212 (shortseller) NetflixAndLamp $1,000 (shortseller) DIP Harambe $500 (shortseller) Machine Planet $500 (shortseller) Paul Shust $250 (shortseller) Naked Shortseller $100 (shortseller) Oslo Skeptic $100 (shortseller)…
Can you provide the most prominent names? Being funded by short sellers does not imply her case is false: they can be independent, albeit the same goal ("your enemy is my friend"). PS: Tesla fans or stock holders could be the reason why this story was initially flagged
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He faced a tone of consequences, just not criminal or civil charges in a court.
> He faced a tone of consequences, just not criminal or civil charges in a court. I never could understand how what he said wasn't considered defamation. If that's not defamation, what is?
The legal system has a concept of "no harm no foul," (i.e. the concept of a "tort"), and if nobody believed Elon's obviously stupid tweet, there would be no tort to sue on.
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Bullying is when I push you over and take your milk. Tesla isn't a bully, Tesla has been part of the corporate capture of the American legal system, the CEO can literally call you a pedofile and be found not guilty of libel. If you're not powerful enough you can't even get a lawyer to represent you.
If the CEO does this in a private conversation, as in you and CEO, I don't see how this could be libel.
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That presumes you're in a legal jurisdiction where one-party consent is allowed for recording conversations doesn't it? Otherwise it would be inadmissible.
Inadmissible in court, but you can always leak to the press and see what happens.
We shouldn't be afraid.
I personally sued big corporations, as an individual, two times, and won. Granted, this was in Europe, not the US, but the warnings and hand-waving of people telling me one should never do that were similar.
If you care enough about the issue, and don't care much about the risks, which are usually wildly exaggerated, the odds are actually in your favor.
There are lots of problems here and it seems to me that Tesla is being a bully. Cristina Balan has a fundraiser page, at https://www.gofundme.com/f/a86fmm-fighting-tesla-for-defamin... and there is some text there from her, setting out some facts as she has seen them.
Why is it written so poorly?