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Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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Post by sashagim »

User23 wrote: post #152
teaneedz wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

source? seems like a rather twisted definition of empathy.

The American Heritage Dictionary[1][2] and the Merriam-Webster Dictionary [3][4] are two that come to mind, but I'm sure that you can find others. As usual m-w is much sloppier when it comes to making distinctions between similar words, due to their philosophy that common misuse redefines words[5], but even they make a pretty clear distinction between empathy and sympathy and it's clear that sympathy is the one where…

Understanding other’s feelings seems to be only part you’re focusing on, but it’s not enough to have empathy. The dictionaries you’ve linked to have each a list of skills and I don’t think each stands on its own. It’s a combinations of those. I’m sure AI already have, and cenrtainly will have it perfected in the future, an ability to “understand” feelings and emotions if I use the term “understanding” the way you do with sociopaths - the ability to analyze and act on. Certainly it can not be called empathetic.

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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Post by cutemonster »

bonoboTP wrote: post #74
mercurialshark wrote: post #56

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All good points, thanks. Yes, being on the receiving end - especially when you rely on the other person's best intentions - can be traumatizing. And yes, that's a particularly terrible form of manipulation.

The problem is especially bad when they get into a position to police other people's conduct and are supposedly there to serve justice. The problem is that many well intentioned people cannot imagine that it's the case. This will have to be a big realization that the reasonable factions of the social justice movements will need to make. In the current climate this is just too far out to be a topic of rational discuss…

Makes me wonder what you think about the former president

> seek out some of these powerful positions to roam free

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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Post by cutemonster »

nefitty wrote: post #94
stakkur wrote: post #48

'If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? During the life of any heart this line keeps changing place; sometimes it is squeezed one way by exuberant evil and sometime…

I don’t believe in free will. It has been a much different experience than shedding my belief in God. When I was young I used to “sense” someone always watching me, to the point of feeling shame in natural situations like bathing. One day the feeling just faded, and it was a palpable change in my perception of life. With the absence of free will, that intuition has been extremely difficult for me to hold onto. It is…

> I used to “sense” someone always watching me,

How old were you then? And when that feeling disappeared?

I'm guessing one or both of your parents were religious?

> I don’t believe in free will

When you came to that conclusion, how did that affect how you look at life and maybe any meaning with life? Did it make you sadder or happier?

You believe the universe is deterministic somehow? Or possibly with some randomness

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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Post by cutemonster »

skim_milk wrote: post #13

The article subtly flips the script at the end so much we might be missing the point if we look too much into the title of the article. The "system" we've collectively developed forces blank slate souls to develop and play out our learned behavior in order to survive, or feel like we're surviving, in the world. But, as the article explains, we do not (typically) inherently hold, are not born with, nor do genetics cod…

> are not born with, nor do genetics code for, these "dark" or "light" traits

How did you come to believe this?

(You read this somewhere, or it's your own idea, or someone told you, or something else?)

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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Post by cutemonster »

EleanorLily wrote: post #2

The term dark personalities refer to a set of socially aversive traits (such as spitefulness, greed, sadism, narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism) in the subclinical range. And thus, according yo this article, those with dark personality traits are slightly more likely to emerge as leaders and are seen as charismatic but, when it comes to getting the job done, they tend to achieve less and are considered poo…

> emerge as leaders and are seen as charismatic but, when it comes to getting the job done, they tend to achieve less

That's a bit funny -- achieve less, according to who?

They might be satisfied with having gotten promoted, and higher salaries, status -- whilst looking at getting the actual work done, as off topic.

They've achieved success, from their perspective, but not from the researchers perspective?

Why would the researchers opinions matter more

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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Post by cutemonster »

mcguire wrote: post #44
EleanorLily wrote: post #2

The term dark personalities refer to a set of socially aversive traits (such as spitefulness, greed, sadism, narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism) in the subclinical range. And thus, according yo this article, those with dark personality traits are slightly more likely to emerge as leaders and are seen as charismatic but, when it comes to getting the job done, they tend to achieve less and are considered poo…

To which one can ask, what are the consequences of not getting the job done or not being a team player? I don't see much, but I'm a cynic.

Consequences. Maybe they get more spare time, if they work less, and can pursue other interests?

And they can order light pattern people stay in the office and work late to cover up for them?

Also see my siblings reply (sibling to your reply)

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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Post by cutemonster »

ChainOfFools wrote: post #93
rienbdj wrote: post #34

The dream of many a disgruntled intellectual teen is to have a dark personality, yet be so good at the hard skills that people put up with it. The most unproductive form this can take is when dark personality traits are seen as a signal of brilliance... “Well if they’re such an asshole they must be good at their job or they would have been shown the door already”. See also: the idolisation of Rick from Rick and Morty

This is also the axis, personified by the title character, around which the story arcs are bent in House. House is meant as a modern day reboot of Sherlock Holmes, who was written to a similarly extreme NPD template.

What's an NPD template?

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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Post by cutemonster »

whatshisface wrote: post #148
cutemonster wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An example? Of things you've said? Anonymized I suppose

"You really don't want to put anything in this public document that attests to those numbers, or implies that the company will commit to them. Yes, I know that everyone in the company has been swearing on them for months. I also know how they were calculated."

Thanks :-) made me ... Both smile a bit (i hope you don't mind) and I definitely wouldn't put any of those numbers in the document

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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Post by cutemonster »

carlmr wrote: post #184
cutemonster wrote: post #142

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What about nurses working 12 hour shifts, helping people survive covid-19 -- now they are needed, or people will die. But I never heard about them getting any special extra compensation for working that much and also a bit risking their life. Also, nurses are often women. Are they light pattern people getting exploited? Why won't society raise their salaries, so more people will work as nurses or at least not resign…

>Are they light pattern people getting exploited? Why won't society raise their salaries, so more people will work as nurses or at least not resign I would guess that most nurses get into the job because they want to help people, that seems like a really light pattern trait. Society only very indirectly decides their salaries. At least in most countries right now it's a market mechanism that is ruthless. Of course th…

I read there was a "$2.2 trillion dollar Coronavirus Aid Relief" -- 1% of that could have raised the nurses salaries fairly much, for one year? (In the US)

Edit: now i see in sibling comments to yours, that apparently nurses are getting paid more (in the US)

I'm in Europe actually and seems the decision makers with the money doesn't care that much about the nurses

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