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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by lazide » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 9:49 PM UTC

matz1 wrote: post #401

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How do you propose to isolate the > 55 age group when no one younger is isolating? Nurses, doctors, people they live with will be a vector and pass it to them. And the under 55 age group (at .11% IFR) is still not going to want out and blindly get infected as that is still hundreds of thousands of deaths - leading to them avoiding being out in sizable numbers and still causing economic problems. [Source: https://www.…

The economic problem due to lockdown > than the economic problem hundreds of thousands of deaths.

The recession started before the first lockdown.

Most people don't spend money on things/do stuff when they are afraid of dying while doing so. Hundreds of thousands of deaths due to uncontrolled population spread, randomly (nearly) amongst the population is going to cause the economy to crater - and even the possibility of it already did before any lockdowns happened.

The lockdowns just stopped the 25% (guess) of the population that is going to YOLO anyway from causing even more damage. The businesses were still going to get a huge hit regardless.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by lavishlatern » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 9:50 PM UTC

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I've never seen this behavior in SF, especially considering how many people wear red 49ers apparel...

77 year old man attacked for wearing MAGA hat https://krcrtv.com/news/local/77-year-old-veteran-attacked-f... Man sent to jail for attack on man wearing MAGA hat: https://www.fox5dc.com/news/man-who-attacked-maga-hat-wearin... And an article about other incidents around the country: https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/attacks-trump-supporters... 49ers hats are not bright red, and tend to be fairly distinctive. Anecdo…

1) None of these incidents occurred in SF

2) Politically motivated violence is rare in the US and right-wing violence obviously exists as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Portland_train_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville_car_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2018_United_States_mai...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_synagogue_shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretchen_Whitmer_kidnapping_pl...

Implying that people who enjoy wearing red hats should avoid SF is like telling liberals to not open their mail. It's absurd.

3) They definitely make 49er hats in bright red:

https://www.rallyhouse.com/assets/images/products/59001909-1...

https://m.hatland.com/prodimg/m1/49ers-super-bowl-xxiii-gold...

https://www.neweracap.com/medias/sys_master/root/h75/h28/891...

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/1f6093f0-cbdc-42ac-a096-c65...

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by somethoughts » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 9:51 PM UTC

Traster wrote: post #674

S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

>There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California No. There's a trend of rich people commissioning articles about them leaving california. Articles which provide literally zero evidence of a trend.

It's also quick click-able - California is a brand - somewhat like Apple and Tesla itself.

The media likes to build up hype brands and then do exposes to deflate them. It's different parts of the media doing different hyping/deflating.

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Post by zpeti » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 9:51 PM UTC

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #515

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How do you describe "far-right"? Edit: the reason I ask the question is that I've noticed a trend among people from very left-leaning areas to define anyone slightly right of center as being "far-right". I've been called "far-right" because of beliefs that were typical of moderate Democrats in the 1990s. What label that leaves for people like actual Nazis, fascists, neo-Confederates, etc, I'm not sure. Far-far-far ri…

We have a new lines drawn on acceptance for behavior towards sexuality, religion, women's rights and race since the 90's. The line has moved. The 90's was 30 years ago. I don't know your exact situation at all and criticism of you may indeed have been unfair. But for fucks sake don't try to make a case that you're not far-right by looking to the behavior of people in the past. That indicates strongly you may indeed h…

Just so we’re clear. You’re position is that the democrats in the 90s were far right? Like actual racists/ultra nationalists/believers in the superiority of certain races etc?

What constitutes center right, center, center left in your view?

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Post by sidlls » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 9:52 PM UTC

gradys wrote: post #266

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As we've seen, when banks' habits of making bad loans catch up with them they tend to get bailed out by the federal government.

If you mean 2008, yeah, you're right, but those were mostly loans to relatively low income people buying homes, not loans against billionaires' unrealized capital gains.

Those were mostly covering obligations in the huge CDS market that grew up around bad loans, not the loans themselves.

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Post by keyle » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 9:52 PM UTC

No income tax vs high income tax... and he already has stakes there. I mean he's more business guy than philanthropist.

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Post by gonehome » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 9:53 PM UTC

justapassenger wrote: post #666

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It’s a mixed bag - a lot of stuff is really great (non-competes are illegal, at will employment, etc.) The political rhetoric of the area is hostile to technology companies and employees though. A lot of blame is put on the tech industry for whatever problem is being discussed. For example employees and tech companies are blamed for high housing costs because new jobs lead to more people living here (rather than blam…

As I said, not everything is perfect, but let’s keep things in a perspective. It’s still the place that’s generating multiple billion dollars companies year, and turns lots of people into millionaires. It’s hard to find anywhere else in the world, where sum of all things is so friendly towards tech. Of course, a lot of that isn’t because of government (or even, despite their actions) but complaining how horrible it’s…

Yeah - I think we’re actually in agreement?

It’s possible you read my initial comment as more extreme than I intended.

I just think there’s more opportunity for collaboration - the stance I often see/hear/read about is combative. Tech companies vs. local politics. Local politicians vs. tech companies, etc. It’d be nice if there was less of this and more working towards shared goals.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by somethoughts » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 9:53 PM UTC

kelnos wrote: post #452

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It distorts many aspects of governance. People don't move because there's a tax hike proportionate to how long you've lived there, so there's less turnover in housing, meaning less supply, meaning higher prices. It puts a hard, long term, effectively permanent cap on tax growth, so cities must plan for everything to continually get leaner. Cities make land use and zoning decisions based on uses that are net contribut…

How do we get rid of Prop 13? Supporting repeal is a political death sentence for anyone in local or state office. Homeowners of course love it (even when it has negative effects on them), and renters tend to be less politically active. What kind of campaign would it take to do this?

The way to have a shot would be to have a ballot which simultaneously gets rid of Prop 13 property tax caps (and increases property taxes) while capping income tax. If you are going to increase property taxes then people are going to want to see corresponding decreases in income tax.

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Post by rendang » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 9:54 PM UTC

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A belief that morality improves over time as you describe, aka whiggism/meliorism, is itself a kind of religious tenet of a particular set of worldviews (often called left, progressive etc). So I don't think one can say that rejecting that tenet places one outside of the Overton window of acceptability, while at the same time claiming tolerance of a wide range of viewpoints.

Morality has improved over time though and is still improving. I mean, if you look at how gay people were still treated in the 90s, it was terrible. Most gay people were afraid to be publicly "out" and forget about any sort of trans rights, if you were trans in the 90s you just never transitioned or basically told nobody. Do you think going back to a world where gay people were often attacked and beaten in public is…

I think your examples touch on the enforcement of certain norms, not on the change in the reigning social view. In other words, in the 90s neither the average man on the street nor the ruling class would agree that publicly assaulting gay people or workplace sexual assault are anything but immoral. Both were also still crimes at that time, of course. I'm also not quite sure that workplace incidents of that kind have declined substantially up to the present, but I'd be interested in seeing data.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by deeeeplearning » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 9:54 PM UTC

S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

> And before you bash Texas, its not perfect.

Indeed and people leaving LA or SF because of the homelessness problem are going to have a serious wakeup call when they get to Austin. It's certainly not as bad as it is in CA but there are tent cities under countless overpasses and downtown has a large amount of homeless.