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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by justapassenger »

gonehome wrote: post #213

I wish public rhetoric was less combative/twitter-like and more collaborative. Elon has built incredible companies doing incredible things. He's also made some stupid comments re: covid. SV political hostility towards technology companies and employees is frustrating. I wish the government was more aligned with helping these companies grow and things weren't treated as if they were so zero-sum (when they're not). I a…

> SV political hostility towards technology companies and employees is frustrating. I wish the government was more aligned with helping these companies grow

Did you check how well those companies actually grew, dominated markets and made their employees millionaires?

Sure, not everything is perfect and aligned to their liking, but calling a place that still actively creating biggest tech companies in the world a hostile place for them is a stretch at best.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by monoideism »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #515
monoideism wrote: post #244

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How do you describe "far-right"? Edit: the reason I ask the question is that I've noticed a trend among people from very left-leaning areas to define anyone slightly right of center as being "far-right". I've been called "far-right" because of beliefs that were typical of moderate Democrats in the 1990s. What label that leaves for people like actual Nazis, fascists, neo-Confederates, etc, I'm not sure. Far-far-far ri…

We have a new lines drawn on acceptance for behavior towards sexuality, religion, women's rights and race since the 90's. The line has moved. The 90's was 30 years ago. I don't know your exact situation at all and criticism of you may indeed have been unfair. But for fucks sake don't try to make a case that you're not far-right by looking to the behavior of people in the past. That indicates strongly you may indeed h…

Great example of the attitude I'm describing.

And my specific viewpoint in question? That all people should be treated equally, and given equal opportunity, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

I will die with that belief, even if 99% of the population believes otherwise.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by gonehome »

logicslave wrote: post #591
gonehome wrote: post #445

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“Eppur si muove” It’s not that hard - people are wildly inconsistent in views and accuracy. Someone can be contrarian and correct in one area and contrarian and wrong in another. In fact I’d bet if you are more independently minded then you’re more likely to be very wrong in some categories since you’ve succeeded mostly by ignoring convention and thinking independently. Most of the time this works, but sometimes you’…

Not really. This kind of thinking is an attempt to tear down and discredit people who are capable of challenging a brainwashed narrative. Clearly elon musk has an incredibly strong grasp on reality. Just because his political leanings go against yours doesn't mean you can discredit him.

It's not a political view - tweets about Covid being over by April were just objectively wrong. Along with tweets about it not being that serious.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1240754657263144960

I'd suspect he'd admit as much at this point. It was a bad prediction. There have been an enormous amount of cases since then and many have died.

I'm an Elon Musk fan, but on this issue he was wrong.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by yao420 »

jdbernard wrote: post #458
nrmitchi wrote: post #422

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It also disproportionately impacts mid-tier earners. Ie, those who earn enough to own their home, but still have it make up a significant portion of their net worth. Someone making 100k/year, and making 1M/year, both living in 400k houses (not uncommon in the Austin area), will be paying the dollar-amount in tax. Ie, a high property tax and low income tax is very regressive.

Wait a minute, where are all these $400k homes you're finding in Austin? I thought those disappeared about 5 years ago... Joking aside, it wouldn't surprise me if $400k was close to the median price for homes within the city limits.

I bought a house this year for $250k in 78744. Plenty others near that price range are available, but it is in a Mexican neighborhood with bad schools.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by sonotmyname »

lavishlatern wrote: post #551
armenarmen wrote: post #384

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The liberal inner cores of Texas cities primarily grew up in these burbs and small towns, and know that despite being a MAGA bro, their uncle isn't satan incarnate. Compare that to the dirty looks I got walking around SF in a Buck-ees hat that happened to be red. It bordered upon comedy.

I've never seen this behavior in SF, especially considering how many people wear red 49ers apparel...

77 year old man attacked for wearing MAGA hat https://krcrtv.com/news/local/77-year-old-veteran-attacked-f...

Man sent to jail for attack on man wearing MAGA hat: https://www.fox5dc.com/news/man-who-attacked-maga-hat-wearin...

And an article about other incidents around the country: https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/attacks-trump-supporters...

49ers hats are not bright red, and tend to be fairly distinctive.

Anecdote time - my buddy sometimes wears a red hat with the California bear on it, and he regularly (as in without fail) gets dirty looks because of it. I personally stopped wearing my red Nike running hat in public last year because of the reactions I'd get. For context, we live in a relatively conservative East Bay suburb of Northern California.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by officeplant »

nemo wrote: post #517
sdljfjafsd wrote: post #413

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Is that really any different from any other state, including California? Rural vs urban culture are completely different in every state in America. As Californians we still insulate ourselves from rural culture. The only difference in California those counties don't form the bulk of the electorate while in Texas they do. We still have the same problem: a cultural divide between rural and urban.

I live in TX. I am very, very careful when I'm out in the sticks since the shitkickers are dangerous. I also lived in CA and even in the sticks out in central CA there's just nothing like the scale of xenophobic belligerence in rural TX (or the rest of the Bible Belt).

It can be surprising. Hell I'm from Louisiana and find it funny that people are just discovering how much White Supremacy took off in some places like the North West US. They somehow think we kept it all contained here for the last 120 years.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by landryraccoon »

rendang wrote: post #531
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #515

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We have a new lines drawn on acceptance for behavior towards sexuality, religion, women's rights and race since the 90's. The line has moved. The 90's was 30 years ago. I don't know your exact situation at all and criticism of you may indeed have been unfair. But for fucks sake don't try to make a case that you're not far-right by looking to the behavior of people in the past. That indicates strongly you may indeed h…

A belief that morality improves over time as you describe, aka whiggism/meliorism, is itself a kind of religious tenet of a particular set of worldviews (often called left, progressive etc). So I don't think one can say that rejecting that tenet places one outside of the Overton window of acceptability, while at the same time claiming tolerance of a wide range of viewpoints.

Interesting.

How do you reconcile the fact that slavery was once widespread and morally acceptable by the majority of society, and defended by the church, with your position that morality does not improve over time?

How about the fact that interracial marriage was once considered sin, and that women allowed to own property or vote was also morally acceptable?

Would you prefer a return to the morality of the 1800s, since in your view morality does not change, where women and dark skinned people returned to their "rightful place"?

Even the Church has undergone massive reformation over the centuries, and what was considered morally acceptable in the 1200s is not acceptable to modern Christians.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by mustacheemperor »

lavishlatern wrote: post #551
armenarmen wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The liberal inner cores of Texas cities primarily grew up in these burbs and small towns, and know that despite being a MAGA bro, their uncle isn't satan incarnate. Compare that to the dirty looks I got walking around SF in a Buck-ees hat that happened to be red. It bordered upon comedy.

I've never seen this behavior in SF, especially considering how many people wear red 49ers apparel...

Nothing results in seeing more 'dirty looks' than a persecution complex.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by missedthecue »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #311
ourcat wrote: post #186

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You probably get far more for your money though. (Property/land-wise) I also remember reading stories years ago about CA/SV businesses that had offices up in Colorado as a back-up for when 'The Big One' hits.

Yes, ironically property taxes are much higher in Texas than California. And toll roads, etc... In short, the money has to come from somewhere — if not from income tax then it will be from somewhere else.

A 2% tax rate on a home in Texas is much less in dollar terms than a 1% tax rate on a home of equivalent size in California

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by deeviant »

manigandham wrote: post #555
ddoolin wrote: post #537

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Crime in almost every category has gone down over the last decade. You have to be crazy to think gang activity has gotten worse over the same time period. Immigration is not the domain of the state. I'd argue that given the number of people here, the traffic could be a lot worse. I've personally seen worse gridlock on worse infrastructure in other states with less people. Even if you account for the days that fires a…

Crime and gang activity is increasing, especially in prisons where every yard is now active. Local street gangs sets have multiplied with the influx of people (many homeless), drugs, welfare and larger organized crime operations. Also recent policies decriminalized many acts and have led to rampant street crime in areas like SF and LA. CA provides sanctuary status for illegal immigrants, along with driver licenses, f…

This description of California reads like a description that somebody that has never been in California but watches fox news would give.
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