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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by njarboe »

scsilver wrote: post #456
sdljfjafsd wrote: post #413

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Is that really any different from any other state, including California? Rural vs urban culture are completely different in every state in America. As Californians we still insulate ourselves from rural culture. The only difference in California those counties don't form the bulk of the electorate while in Texas they do. We still have the same problem: a cultural divide between rural and urban.

Yeas it's different. I'r invite you to drive through the rural west America, through arizona, nevada, wyoming and colorado. Even the rural areas of california have so many people. You will also noticr that the californians are almost all wearing masks even in the rural areas.

Rural California north of Sacramento is similar to those places and a lot of no mask wearing also. It is a large portion of the state. Check out a map to get a good feel. Texas is big, but California is not far behind.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by chiyc »

rendang wrote: post #531
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #515

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We have a new lines drawn on acceptance for behavior towards sexuality, religion, women's rights and race since the 90's. The line has moved. The 90's was 30 years ago. I don't know your exact situation at all and criticism of you may indeed have been unfair. But for fucks sake don't try to make a case that you're not far-right by looking to the behavior of people in the past. That indicates strongly you may indeed h…

A belief that morality improves over time as you describe, aka whiggism/meliorism, is itself a kind of religious tenet of a particular set of worldviews (often called left, progressive etc). So I don't think one can say that rejecting that tenet places one outside of the Overton window of acceptability, while at the same time claiming tolerance of a wide range of viewpoints.

Rejecting progressivism or meliorism of course doesn't place someone outside that window of acceptability by itself. It depends on what a person is clinging onto.

And I think it's still fair for a person to claim tolerance of a wide range of viewpoints while rejecting positions that are bigoted or deemed unacceptable.

For someone who rejects meliorism, what moment in human history is the correct frame for evaluating the world? Many social or religious conservatives positions today often overlook that certain perspectives they hold now were unacceptable a century ago. The use of contraceptives being one example.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by texasbigdata »

tenpies wrote: post #395
legohead wrote: post #282

Strange comments for HN. Elon moving has little to do with California vs Texas. This is totally expected from Elon, who likes to oversee new operations personally and whip everyone into shape. His "dislike" of California has little to do with it, but he's definitely going to milk it for all it's worth. I thought at least HNers would see through this easily.

> This is totally expected from Elon, who likes to oversee new operations personally and whip everyone into shape. So why is he not moving from Shanghai to Austin? And from Austin to Berlin? I think people should really look into where Elon actually spends his time. Tesla is his clearly on the back burner as far as his personal attention is concerned. He checks in, but he's very successfully sold the "I sleep under m…

Not that we can verify, but his interview states he is and further intends to spend material time in admin. He represented having been heavily involved in GigaBerlin up to this point.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by btilly »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #487
techsupporter wrote: post #220

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My birth certificate says "Texas" across the top and people have been "fleeing California" to Texas for as long as I've been alive. There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him. I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoint…

>I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoints, at least out in the suburbs where I grew up. If you were not religious and conservative (I have my own anecdotes), you did not fit in. Only when I went to college in a college town did people largely seem to want to live and let live. Sure, inside the larger cities it is more cosmopolitan... That doesn't sound very specific of Te…

That was not my experience when I lived in rural Washington State. Nor did I get that sense in New Hampshire.

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Post by cmdshiftf4 »

glitchc wrote: post #548
s1artibartfast wrote: post #330

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The average income in California 25% higher than Texas (60k vs 48k), but taxes and costs are more than 25% higher in California. The typical home value of homes in California is $599,159. [1] The typical home value of homes in Texas is $224,065 California sales tax rate of 7.25% is higher than that of any other state, and its top marginal income tax rate of 13.3% is the highest state income tax rate in the country. T…

I do not doubt or dispute that Texas is cheaper to live in. It was the "significant" quality of life for children statement struck me as a red flag. It's a form of WASP signaling I've seen many times before (I may be a WASP too...) It's a particularly egregious statement given that people the world over (myself included) would love to retire in California some day due to the wonderful weather, the abundance of high-q…

>well "significantly better" starts to look downright fishy.

Thankfully you're not owed an explanation of what someone deems to be a significantly better option to another.

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Post by Chris2048 »

_throwawayyyyyy wrote: post #275
Chris2048 wrote: post #147

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> yes Elon, US workers expect to be treated like humans They just don't expect the non-US workers that make their iPhones to be treated the same..

before trump we used to do this thing called try to cajole other countries into having labor laws. something the TPP would have helped with, for example. MAGA amirite?

> MAGA amirite?

No, you're not. When was TPP going to involve China, or the UAA? In fact, TPP could just as well be used to avoid other types of punitive tariff. foei also opposed TPP [0], does that mean they are oppose labour-law improvements too?

And why are you so confident TPP would help with labour laws anyway? What said, and what's done across international borders often differs a lot. Blaming Trump as if something was lost is pretending there where ever guarantees of success.

Claiming some complex legislation would "have helped with" poor foreign labour laws while actively benefitting them anyway is pretty weak.

[0] https://www.foei.org/features/tpp-bad-deal-for-people-and-pl...

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Post by novok »

hnburnsy wrote: post #491
JKCalhoun wrote: post #311

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Yes, ironically property taxes are much higher in Texas than California. And toll roads, etc... In short, the money has to come from somewhere — if not from income tax then it will be from somewhere else.

State/Median property tax rate/Median property tax CA/0.74%/$2839 TX/1.8%/$2275 Source: http://www.tax-rates.org/california/property-tax

Thanks to not having a prop 13 low prop tax house, my prop tax rate was effectively 1.5% in california. Prop tax is cheap in CA, if you're old!

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by ribosometronome »

rendang wrote: post #531
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a new lines drawn on acceptance for behavior towards sexuality, religion, women's rights and race since the 90's. The line has moved. The 90's was 30 years ago. I don't know your exact situation at all and criticism of you may indeed have been unfair. But for fucks sake don't try to make a case that you're not far-right by looking to the behavior of people in the past. That indicates strongly you may indeed h…

A belief that morality improves over time as you describe, aka whiggism/meliorism, is itself a kind of religious tenet of a particular set of worldviews (often called left, progressive etc). So I don't think one can say that rejecting that tenet places one outside of the Overton window of acceptability, while at the same time claiming tolerance of a wide range of viewpoints.

That's a lot of words for "How dare you not be tolerant of intolerance".

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by JPKab »

techsupporter wrote: post #277
WillPostForFood wrote: post #245

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How long have you been out of Texas? I think we know people aren't coming to Texas to live in Tyler; They are moving to the cities, Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, which are all diverse, and have large gay communities. Even Tyler has changed. (old article, but still) https://www.advocate.com/society/activism/2009/09/29/gays-ta...

But that's rather my point: if you're living just in the larger metro areas, you're choosing to insulate yourself from the rampant discrimination and bigotry that, numerically, forms the bulk of the electorate and shape the cultural mindset. To be clear, that's not a bad thing that people make that choice; I would, were in that position. If Texas voters will finally vote in someone who is more like Ann Richards than…

"If Texas voters will finally vote in someone who is more like Ann Richards than Greg Abbott, I will believe the mindset is changing."

I think the problem with this is that it rests on a fundamental assumption that someone's primary motivation for voting Republican is bigotry. Polls by the Pew Foundation do not bear this out. Non-college educated Democrats and Republicans have equally wrong knowledge about what people on the other side of the spectrum believe. College educated Republicans match their numbers. The outliers are college educated Democrats. They, by far, have the most distorted view of what right wing people ACTUALLY believe. It goes both ways of course, with conservatives dramatically underestimating the patriotism of liberals, etc.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/21/democr...

When I lived in Arkansas, the voters simultaneously voted for a Republican governor and state house, AND a ballot initiative to significantly raise the state minimum wage, as well as a ballot initiative for medical marijuana.

The GOP politicians were all against these measures, but the voters approved them by large majorities.

The point I'm making is that the politicians on both sides aren't in step with the electorate, even if they are chosen by the electorate. People are voting for the lesser of two evils a lot more than we give them credit for.

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