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FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

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Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

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post #27

Instagram and WhatsApp are old news. The big chip on the board is Oculus. If they can get Facebook to sever Oculus (and Facebook "Reality Labs", something probably created ahead of this to blur the lines at bit) it would be a huge step forward to mitigate huge harms to come from Facebook.

doubt it. oculus alone will fade to obscurity

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

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Key line: > The FTC is seeking a permanent injunction in federal court that could, among other things: require divestitures of assets, including Instagram and WhatsApp

From a privacy point of view I agree that it sounds like a good thing and I hope it happens. From an entrepreneurial point of view I wonder how it will affect the future of big tech players acquiring other companies.

It should be forbidden after IPO to acquire other companies because of this kills competition before it has the chance to compete.

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

#33

Lets hope they push through with it and follow up with Google. Its about time - its ridiculous how incredibly powerful these institutions have become. Question: is there an argument not to split up these gigantic corporations?

The way I see it, an important argument is that it won't solve the problem: these organizations take advantage of network effects to build monopolies and that mechanism won't go away. A good book on this is Who Owns The Future by Jaron Lanier.

Of course, forbidding anti-competitive acquisitions would have helped in that maybe then we'd all be using an independent Instagram under the leadership of its original founders and Facebook would be dying. But that still wouldn't change the fact that it would be more than likely to be a quasi monopoly. That's just the nature of social networks.

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

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> ... Facebook has maintained its monopoly position by buying up companies that present competitive threats and by imposing restrictive policies that unjustifiably hinder actual or potential rivals that Facebook does not or cannot acquire Imagine if FB was broken up like old school monopolies. That would definitely open field to a lot of smaller social media startups. I am worried about consumer privacy impacts becau…

what if one of them used privacy as a selling point?

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

#35
Monopoly of what? Some other social networks I use every day or so: Twitter, LinkedIn, TikTok and various forums and communities like this one, which in my mind are pretty similar to a social network.

And since WhatsApp is a chat app, how about all the other chat apps I am using? iMessage, Slack, Teams.

Does this action has any merit or is it just the usual political posturing and games?

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

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post #12

And nothing will come of this except a slap on the wrist. I have more faith in the EU if fines are to be made big enough to make any difference at all.

EU at most will just ban FB to allow local competitors to emerge. There's no point regulating american companies

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huge. I'm glad Zuckerberg is probably panicking.

Even if they were three separate companies wouldn't Mark still have voting control of all three companies?

Generally no, he couldn't do that, as that would be the opposite of the concept of divestment.

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

#38

When Facebook first went public, an older relative asked me if he should invest in Facebook. My only insight was being an internet user at the time and I said no, there was no reason that Facebook wouldn’t be another MySpace. Facebook's only value was their users and users were historically very finicky and moved around platforms at will. I argued that Facebook would make no money and wouldn’t be around in a couple o…

On the same note, a relative asked me the same thing when they IPO.I thought if Google could make money selling ads why couldn't Facebook. I bought in at IPO price for them. I sold for them about 2 years ago when the price was dropping due to privacy scandals.

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

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Key line: > The FTC is seeking a permanent injunction in federal court that could, among other things: require divestitures of assets, including Instagram and WhatsApp

From a privacy point of view I agree that it sounds like a good thing and I hope it happens. From an entrepreneurial point of view I wonder how it will affect the future of big tech players acquiring other companies.

> From an entrepreneurial point of view I wonder how it will affect the future of big tech players acquiring other companies.

It won't.

The full power of the United States does not reverse all those shares you sold to a big tech company, or sold as a big shareholder of a big tech company.

If the market tolerates a price, based on their own exuberance and view of future revenues, that is fine here, and the incentives will continue to promote near term profits with a who-gives-a-shit slim possibility of cleanup by the regulators.

Corporations are just a conduit for money, and the regulators only enforce actions on the conduit, and thats a maybe.

Re: FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

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Would be interesting to see a modern day trust busting, wonder how deeply embedded Facebook's infrastructure / P&Ps is for Whatsapp development.

Unless they rewrote Whatsapp from ground up, the two platforms are not mixed. Whatsapp is written in Erlang where Facebook has transitioned from PHP to Hack to the best of my knowledge.
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