Winning back the Internet by building our own • Hacker News Board

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by Hnrobert42 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 3:07 AM UTC

spurgu wrote: post #112

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #46

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I downvoted you, but I don’t hate you or your ideas. I just disagree with them.

That's not what downvotes are for (unless you're on Reddit). Downvotes are for wrong or misleading comments. If something is against the rules it can be downvoted and flagged. If you disagree, just move on, ignore the comment. If you support/like a comment, upvote it. This is at least how I see it on HN. Edit: Downvoted, sigh.

That’s what I thought, too. However, that’s not what the guidelines say. I had to go read them again.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by Hnrobert42 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 3:23 AM UTC

k33n wrote: post #80

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #45

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Why do you assume hating on Trump is the exclusive domain of simpletons?

Because Trump hate was literally spoon-fed to you. There's not a single rabid Trump hater who hated him before 2016. Ad spend is a heck of a thing. The simpletons can be made to hate or love anyone. It's just PR, and you fell for it.

Can one be well informed yet still disagree with Trump?

Or are you arguing that the only way that someone would hate Trump is if they were duped?

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by buildanduse » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 9:40 AM UTC

ajvs wrote: post #128

buildanduse wrote: post #120

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For storage, My Cloud and other centralized systems (e.g. QNAP and Synology offerings) give some usability, but they are limited to storage and still use a central server. We are trying to get Diode tech widely adopted - it is a network that enables N to N private, fully trustless, tunnels. We implemented dDrive ( https://support.diode.io/article/irhluyq82j ) over it (in Alpha) that can map any storage (laptop, serve…

What's the pros/cons vs Syncthing?

Great question - probably three differences: 1) Syncthing is storage only - Diode has dDrive for storage, but also supports N other use cases as a true web3 backbone candidate (e.g. currently deployed: video streaming, VPN, decentralized web hosting, remote SSH, etc...) 2) Syncthing uses community relays/nodes without any incentive structure - it limits the scale of the network. Diode implements a relay incentive in proportion to the traffic handled (which is somewhat predicated on the QoS the relay is able to provide) 3) Syncthing is a closed system (an impact of #1), so it can't do things like link sharing, web viewers, etc... whereas Diode is able to provide all those things fully decentralized

There are certainly also specific UX/functionality differences on how the apps are implemented, but those are probably the macro considerations.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by HeadsUpHigh » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 1:07 PM UTC

miketery wrote: post #5

fsflover wrote: post #3

I2P [0] does not require a special infrastructure and provides strong anonymity on top of existing networks. [0] https://geti2p.net

This is pretty awesome. What are the missing pieces to get people using this? Is there a need? I think it's being able to launch infrastructure like AWS but for consumers. Imagine one click to launch your "virtual home" / bastion. You can mange your virtual home from trusted devices (desktop, mobile, possibly web if you grant keys to 3rd party). In your virtual home you can setup I2P, a personal VPN (e.g. algo by tra…

Most of these p2p systems need port forwarding. Which half the isps seem to block with botched cgnat deployments.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by HeadsUpHigh » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 2:16 PM UTC

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #47

Discussing torrents: > people were more easily able to access the things they needed without being forced to ask or pay for permission to have them. Haha. We’re not talking about folks stealing bread to feed their family. We’re talking about people stealing entertainment. There’s a lot wrong with big media corporations: DMCA takedown notice misuse, copyright for life of the artist + 75 years, exploitative contracts,…

Copyright is theft of my natural ability to copy things. And now that I have a machine that can do it for me for almost zero marginal cost, I really don't want laws designed for a world of physical publishing to be applied on the digital world.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by chrisco255 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 6:10 PM UTC

dbsmith83 wrote: post #92

chrisco255 wrote: post #67

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Because he's the first president since Jimmy Carter not to start a new armed conflict? He negotiated middle east peace agreements between Israel and 4 or 5 other nations. He created Opportunity Zones for tax-incentivized investments in poor (often minority) neighborhoods. He increased funding to historically black colleges. He instituted prison reform to shorten sentences for non-violent offenders. If anything, peopl…

He is ruining the internet though with his removal of net neutrality, which has a lot to do with the article's critiques of internet access companies.

I am in favor of net neutrality, but I think it needs to be augmented with more regulation at the application layer. At this moment I'm more worried about the monopolies in social networking, digital content distribution, app stores, and online advertising.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by jrnichols » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 7:11 PM UTC

mtVessel wrote: post #59

jrnichols wrote: post #55

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theft n. the generic term for all crimes in which a person intentionally and fraudulently takes personal property of another without permission or consent and with the intent to convert it to the taker's use (including potential sale). In many states, if the value of the property taken is low (for example, less than $500) the crime is "petty theft," but it is "grand theft" for larger amounts, designated misdemeanor,…

Similarly, you may repeat this mantra as many times you like, and yet, "theft of services" will still be a crime in most jurisdictions.

except that you aren't stealing a service.

try harder.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by jrnichols » Wed, Dec 09, 2020, 7:16 PM UTC

xpe wrote: post #72

jrnichols wrote: post #56

The internet as we know it would be just fine if we de-commercialized it. Most websites as we know it don't need to be riddled with ads, google fonts, social media trackers, analytics. "But how do we make money from it?" - if that's the first thought, then maybe it doesn't need to be there. I'd rather have the internet for sharing reliable information, not advertising. It was doing just fine before corporate marketin…

What are some alternatives you would suggest? Please incorporate these aspects: 1. Running a network and computers costs money. 2. Commercial forces seek out channels where attention exists. 3. There is an incentive for content providers to place ads. 4. (add your own factors)

1. not a factor for most. they're paying for web hosting already, and that's what is covering the network and computers. I'm talking about content.

2. don't use them. ads are not a requirement. they really aren't.

3. don't use them either.

People used to make simple web pages because they had information to share. They did it because they enjoyed it. Now everything feels like "how can I monetize this?" We need to change our mindset. Does the internet exist to share information or is it just here now to make money from ads?

I'm quite happy self-hosting. It may cost me $5/mo. I can afford that. I can also use a raspberry pi at home and simply proxy through Cloudflare. There. Not costing me much money at all, and I still don't need advertisements. Point is that we've let marketers take over and then tell us that the internet won't survive without them. It can, and it will. It needs to.

Re: Winning back the Internet by building our own

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Post by spurgu » Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 6:43 PM UTC

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #151

spurgu wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what downvotes are for (unless you're on Reddit). Downvotes are for wrong or misleading comments. If something is against the rules it can be downvoted and flagged. If you disagree, just move on, ignore the comment. If you support/like a comment, upvote it. This is at least how I see it on HN. Edit: Downvoted, sigh.

That’s what I thought, too. However, that’s not what the guidelines say. I had to go read them again.

The top comment (in the parallel reply[0]) actually seems to agree with me[1].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25333255 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171