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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by monoideism »

techsupporter wrote: post #220
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

My birth certificate says "Texas" across the top and people have been "fleeing California" to Texas for as long as I've been alive. There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him. I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoint…

By the same token, there are vast regions of California that are conservative rural and conservative suburban as you describe (hello 22nd district).

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by leveredequity »

bagacrap wrote: post #207
giarc wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>pay 0 state income tax Do you see this as a good thing? How does your state fund itself?

probably sales and property taxes FWIW, broadly speaking, I'd rather see wealth taxes and estate taxes than income taxes. Income taxes disincentivize work, whereas wealth taxes penalize idleness.

How does income tax disincentivize work? You still generate positive income with a tax.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by Darmody »

atomi wrote: post #136
zaroth wrote: post #6

California is actively looking for ways to extract more money from Elon. It likely posed an appreciable risk to his business ventures that CA at some point will try to tax unrecognized capital gains, which would require him to liquidate shares to pay the tax. Basically akin to a hostile government takeover. If CA were to aggressively pursue such a policy, they would likely go after anyone they perceived as fleeing ju…

> CA at some point will try to tax unrecognized capital gains Where is the evidence for this? Effectively, Elon has avoided future California capital gains taxes by moving. Those are the facts of his move. Personally, I would rather pay a few points extra on capital gains and income taxes to avoid Texas. Just look at what the Texas AG is doing right now: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/12/08/texas-ag...

Capital gains and the new magical tax on the wealth that democrats want. They don't have enough taxing you for what you earn so they decided to tax you for what you're worth.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by monoideism »

boringg wrote: post #171
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

California still has every viewpoint that is imaginable though there does seem to be less space for far right. What's making everyone salty about Elon leaving is there was considerable amount of people who helped him build up in the state (i.e. state benefits, staff who worked incredibly hard for many years, consumers who bought his cars [drive in the bay area]) and he's peacing out, with a slap in the face to everyo…

How do you describe "far-right"?

Edit: the reason I ask the question is that I've noticed a trend among people from very left-leaning areas to define anyone slightly right of center as being "far-right". I've been called "far-right" because of beliefs that were typical of moderate Democrats in the 1990s.

What label that leaves for people like actual Nazis, fascists, neo-Confederates, etc, I'm not sure. Far-far-far right?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by WillPostForFood »

techsupporter wrote: post #220
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

My birth certificate says "Texas" across the top and people have been "fleeing California" to Texas for as long as I've been alive. There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him. I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoint…

How long have you been out of Texas? I think we know people aren't coming to Texas to live in Tyler; They are moving to the cities, Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, which are all diverse, and have large gay communities.

Even Tyler has changed. (old article, but still)

https://www.advocate.com/society/activism/2009/09/29/gays-ta...

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Post by claydavisss »

techsupporter wrote: post #220
S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

My birth certificate says "Texas" across the top and people have been "fleeing California" to Texas for as long as I've been alive. There's nothing special about Musk; he just happens to be high-profile about it and managed to extract more from California before decamping to a "cheap" state than several of those who came before him. I disagree with your assessment that Texas has wide acceptance for opposing viewpoint…

Times change. At least in Austin (where most of the tech people go), the prevailing political viewpoints are pure coastal-envy liberal

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Post by _throwawayyyyyy »

mchusma wrote: post #131
nickthemagicman wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid is a classic trolly problem. Pull the lever and destroy the economy, put the government in debt, destroy businesses, send millions into poverty, hurt individuals futures, increase infant mortality, increase drug use/overdoses, hurt artists and destroy museums, increase suicides, and more. Don't pull the lever and kill a .01 percent of people above the age of 55 who won't stay quarantined. I think he thinks pull…

It's actually a trolley problem within a trolley problem! The decision whether to ban or approve the vaccines as they were developed was another example. The status quo is to ban vaccines until they meet criteria. Ban a vaccine for those over 65, avoid the possibility of a side effect 100x than ever experienced (there has never been a vaccine entering phase 1 trials with over 1 in 100,000 expected risk of death). All…

your take is one of the nuttier ones i've seen during the pandemic

"Society chose to ban the vaccine, killing hundreds of thousands of lives that could have been prevented. This pandemic is effectively solely a problem caused by this decision."

you say this of literally the fastest development of a vaccine in the history of our planet. vaccines only work if people take them. people only take them if its safe. (and even when they are safe, anti-vax crowd actively works against uptake).

so your proposal is to give an untested vaccine to the entire planet, because the harms of doing that would be fewer in number in the short term while completely destroying the ability for society to deliver any vaccine in the future.

scenario plan for this: the next pandemic is 10x worse than this one and you blew all of society's goodwill on an untested vaccine this time around. nobody takes vaccine. everyone dies.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Post by lhorie »

S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

FWIW, several youtube celebrities have also spoken about having moved out - or expressed serious interest in moving out - of CA. Most have deliberately stated that taxes are a major reason, but they also cite increase in homelessness (which has become particularly bad in LA and SF) and related safety concerns as factors (especially considering how said high taxes are supposed to go towards fixing these issues).

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Post by bosswipe »

S_A_P wrote: post #158

Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

Pretty interesting to see how much glee many people take in anything negative about California. What is that about? No other state gets so much hate.
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