Somehow it comes as no surprise to me that he's been 'Inventing shit'. Carry on; get a job, create one for yourself. That apple stamp of approval on your resume helps and we know Apple is run like a death star.
Bret Victor on working at Apple.
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Re: Bret Victor on working at Apple.
#32Please change the title. No way does Bret state that you shouldn't work there. Just that he can't show you anything.
Q - But that box is empty! It's an empty box! A - Yes, exactly. Q - Oh, okay, I thought you had made some sort of mistake. A - Yes, exactly.
I'm not sure how so many people are missing this. Not reading through or simply not getting it?
Re: Bret Victor on working at Apple.
#33I dont see the big deal. Apple is Apple. Hopefully he learned a ton and will take it with him to his next startup where he will be able to blog about it.
Re: Bret Victor on working at Apple.
#34Somehow it comes as no surprise to me that he's been 'Inventing shit'. Carry on; get a job, create one for yourself. That apple stamp of approval on your resume helps and we know Apple is run like a death star.
I'll bite. Define the workings of the death star. Or rather, define how you see the workings of the death star in a way that helps me comprehend your definition of how Apple is run.
The things I've read all point to Apple being pretty much a great place to work, except that because of its secrecy not a lot (if anything in many projects) can be shared outside their walls. This is, if you think about it, one of the main reasons why they enter a market and lead it. One might disagree with their methods and the extreme secrecy, but it's also working out pretty darn well if we look at the numbers.
Re: Bret Victor on working at Apple.
#35The post is almost content-free, we all know apple is secretive. But that website is a work of art, although it does crawl in chrome on my current-gen mac mini. If the guy doesn't like apple, I doubt he'd have much trouble finding work elsewhere. EDIT: re-reading, I see that he has.
Just to provide a counter-point, from a usability point of view I found that article terrible. On the 1920 pixels wide screen at work, more than half the horizontal width became buttons (previous and next). As soon as the mouse pointer was outside the white background for the linked-to article, a click lead to navigating away from the article. It took me at least two or three times of wondering where the fsck the art…
>On the 1920 pixels wide screen at work, more than half the horizontal width became buttons (previous and next)
I think my adoration may have been influenced by the fact that my monitors are in portrait orientation.
And I use a trackball. I'm a sucker for contrarianism. Maybe I should start using visual studio?
Re: Bret Victor on working at Apple.
#36I dont see the big deal. Apple is Apple. Hopefully he learned a ton and will take it with him to his next startup where he will be able to blog about it.
From the FAQ at the bottom of the article:
Q - Oh, okay, I thought you had made some sort of mistake.
A - Yes, exactly.
Re: Bret Victor on working at Apple.
#37On the other hand, I can point to portions of Mac OS X and iOS that are shipping today and say: I made that.
Not only was the experience of working at Apple incredibly valuable from a technical standpoint, but from a business standpoint it's something instantly recognizable to others.
Re: Bret Victor on working at Apple.
#38The title really should be changed to reflect the actual message (or lack of one). Nowhere in the post does he say that he didn't have a good time working at Apple. Nowhere does he advise not working there (like the title suggests). From what I infer, anyway, his actual message is that he can't show what he worked on at Apple - not that it's a bad place to work.
Well, he does imply that it was a mistake. The impression for me was that he regrets the time spent there.
Re: Bret Victor on working at Apple.
#39The title really should be changed to reflect the actual message (or lack of one). Nowhere in the post does he say that he didn't have a good time working at Apple. Nowhere does he advise not working there (like the title suggests). From what I infer, anyway, his actual message is that he can't show what he worked on at Apple - not that it's a bad place to work.
Actually he does. Re-read the last few lines of the post.
Hint: the word "mistake" usually implies something you shouldn't do
Read down further: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2536093
Re: Bret Victor on working at Apple.
#40Please change the title. No way does Bret state that you shouldn't work there. Just that he can't show you anything.
Q - But that box is empty! It's an empty box! A - Yes, exactly. Q - Oh, okay, I thought you had made some sort of mistake. A - Yes, exactly.
That's not saying don't work at apple.
That might be saying. It was a mistake that I worked for apple.
Or it was a mistake that I worked for a place where I wasn't allowed to show what I did
Or so many other things.
But no where does he advice people against working for apple.