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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Isn't the actual listed location of residence more a formality for a billionaire like Musk? I presume he'll still rent residences in LA and the Bay Area considering he'll be back and forth for business related to Tesla and SpaceX. This seems like he's renting a place in Texas and making a big deal out of 'moving there' to make a point about California's regulatory environment.

I'm guessing HNWI will have a much stricter inspection of where they did actually live than your average citizen.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

#142
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, most places in the country have a massive deficit this year because states are spending money to protect their citizens and stimulate the economy. So this year is an odd year for most states... don't try and single out California as this bad actor that can't manage its finances. That narrative is misleading.

California has historically had budget problems for decades and resolved things 8 years ago through increased taxes. It also increased taxes by about $2B this year. As recently as 2017, the state miscalculated the costs of Medi-Cal and had a 1.6B deficit for the year. The argument that I'm framing is that the state has to continuously dig further into its citizens pockets in order to fund its appetite for spending. I…

Listen, CA is a state of big numbers - big deficits and big surplus's (Surplus of $9B in 2018, $7B in 2019). It's a function of being the 5th largest economy of the world Gross State Produce ($3.2 Trillion) larger than India and the UK. It has raised taxes, but mostly in a progressive way targeted at high income earners. At lot of marginal tax revenue comes from IPOs and equity sales. It has intrinsic problems and some pretty bad policies that linger to this day (impacts from prop 13 for example). It's still the best state to live in, has great opportunity for many people and tries to implement long term policies benefitting is citizens and is a global leader.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/debt-by-sta...

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

#144
post #106

Once Volkswagen gets its Modulare Elektroauto Baukasten rolling at full production speed it's game over for Tesla anyhow.

why would i buy a car from a company founded by nazis?

Konrad Zuse was one of the pioneers of computing. He was a German who worked under the Nazis. IBM did a lot of profitable business with the Nazis. You used a device based in part on work done by and for Nazis to post that message, if you posted it from the USA you'll have posted it "from stolen land" according to the more "progressive" elements in society. The clothes you're wearing are probably partly or wholly made through something close to slave labour. That iPhone of yours is made in an authoritarian state, it contains parts which have been made with raw materials from mines in dictatorial countries where children are put to work at a young age. Why would you wear those clothes, use that iPhone, use that computer, live on the "stolen land"?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

#145
post #140

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I'll never understand why people look up to him. I have friends that are totally extreme communists, who hate everything capitalist and they idolize him. He's still a billionaire and a shitty person, just because he has interests in helping the planet (with his great business ventures) doesn't make him a swell fellow. He's still trash, like most billionaires.

I'll never understand why people embrace crab mentality. He's playing a positive sum game - his ventures are growing the pie and moving us toward a better future (e.g., sustainable energy). Focus on the rent seekers, not the pie growers.

Deep down a lot of people know they're not a crab that will be leaving the bucket so they'd prefer nobody left the bucket so that they don't have to be reminded it's possible.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

#146
post #74

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>Basically akin to a hostile government takeover. Or, you know, taxes to pay for the government subsidies that have funded all of Musk's current business operations.

Aren't those federal subsidies though?

California subsidized every Tesla sold. I'm not complaining about it but it should be on record that California helped to give Tesla a boost. It was definitely the right move.

I can't think of another state in this country where Tesla would have thrived nearly as well as California. Do you think Tesla would have done well in Texas back in 2003? All those oil guzzlers would have laughed Elon Musk out of the state.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

#147
post #39

Shocking to see someone anti-union trying to flee a state that actually protects workers rights: https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/30/20891314/elon-musk-... While I admire Elon's vision, I'm not a huge fan of how he's going about it. Kind of seems like he views other human beings as tools to be used and discarded when they've outlived their usefulness. You can see it when he makes comments about things like the U…

> yes Elon, US workers expect to be treated like humans

They just don't expect the non-US workers that make their iPhones to be treated the same..

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

#148
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, most places in the country have a massive deficit this year because states are spending money to protect their citizens and stimulate the economy. So this year is an odd year for most states... don't try and single out California as this bad actor that can't manage its finances. That narrative is misleading.

> Yes, most places in the country have a massive deficit this year because states are spending money to protect their citizens and stimulate the economy. This is Stockholm syndrome. Are citizens being protected? Because last I checked, the "smart" people have largely outlawed working, destroyed any semblance of normal life, the average person is $5k behind on rent, and all the old people died. The federal government…

> and all the old people died.

California is a geographically large state, but the bulk of the population lives in dense coastal areas. Given that, you'd expect California to have a very high death rate from Covid. But it's actually ranked 38th on a per capita basis (where higher is better), right behind West Virginia.

California has about half the deaths per capita as Florida does, another warm climate, fairly dense large state. It has a quarter of the deaths per capita as New Jersey, the densest state.

San Francisco has one of the lowest rates of any city in the country, despite being the nation's second most dense city.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

#149

What percentage of Tesla employees will prefer living in Texas over California?

Yeah, Musk might be able get away with this, since I expect many key employees will be attracted by much lower housing costs out of state. Texas has high real estate taxes, but not high enough to offset savings on house prices.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

#150
post #49
post #42

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It likely posed an appreciable risk to his business ventures that CA at some point will try to tax unrecognized capital gains, People like Musk leverage their paper wealth into real (risky) loans and the like to support their business ventures (and personal lives)--part of the "socialize risk, privatize profits" model of pseudo-capitalism they practice. A thoughtless approach to taxing unrecognized gains is not a goo…

Why does taking private loans against his private assets count as socializing risk? The banks he gets these loans from understand the risk and do not represent "society".

As we've seen, when banks' habits of making bad loans catch up with them they tend to get bailed out by the federal government.
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