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Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

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Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

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I've just integrated it with my pet project at varten.com. It's a very smooth experience, and data points started to show up on the Cloudflare dashboard within a few minutes. One minor downside: it doesn't work on clients with JavaScript turned off.

(PM for Cloudflare Analytics here)

Thanks! If you do end up "orange clouding" and proxying your site through Cloudflare, we can show you lots of stats about your website, even from clients that don't support JS :)

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

#52
Again, not analytics. Traffic stats. Blurring meaning here again, packaging data lying around from CF ops. Same as a stats counter from 2001. Veiled comparision to Google, who's in a different category for the most part - they're more like 'business analytics' where ('privacy' aside) you can see how users surf, improve UX, make decisions to help goals.

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

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post #26

As much as I applaud every alternative to Google services, I would think about these kind of analytics twice when running any kind of developer-centric service. Chance is that your target audience is running an adblocker / DNS blocker of some sort and that this will heavily skew the analytics results: The absolute numbers will be a lot lower and you will only capture folks not savvy enough for adblockers. I removed a…

Keep in mind that the Internet actually has more bot traffic than human traffic these days. A 50% discrepancy between Google Analytics and access logs could be explained entirely by bot traffic with no ad-blockers involved.

It could be ad-blockers, though. And I want to emphasize a point you mentioned briefly: it very much depends on your target audience. An anecdote from several years ago, around with IE was still the plurality of traffic on most sites but no longer the majority. Two web properties run by the same company, with different audiences. On one of them, IE did not crack the Top 5 in browsers, and was actually outnumbered by Opera. On another, the entire Top 5 browsers were different versions of IE, and Chrome and Firefox combined were less popular than IE6, IE5.5, and AOL's browser (which apparently was a reskinned IE7).

The moral of the story is, what's true for everyone may not be true for you, and vice-versa.

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

#55

Even tho I'm septic about Cloudflare privacy-first policy, this sounds like a great alternative to "giving all your users data to Google". Also, if your site is already behind CF, it's not like you give them much more information than they already have.

> it's not like you give them much more information than they already have. My thoughts exactly. I'm hoping that we'll see a move from Google Analytics towards more privacy friendly services as they improve. Then again, I'm not sure marketing people will want to move away from Google Analytics. And I don't think marketing people will read news from cloudflare.. so we'll have to educate them.

A move away from google to a new private entity offering seemingly friendly service? That reminds me of why I installed Google Analytics in the first place.

What's the point?

You could go with good log parsing programs like awstats.

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

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post #25

Is it really free? In my cloudflare dashboard it shows 'Upgrade to Pro' in 'analytics' tab.

Yes. It's really free. Sign up is here: https://dash.cloudflare.com/sign-up/web-analytics

I'm an existing Cloudflare (free) customer. If I click that link it just takes me to my list of sites. If I choose a site I see the normal analytics I've always seen with he prompt to upgrade to pro. Is there a way to sign up if you already have a site on CloudFlare?

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. It's really free. Sign up is here: https://dash.cloudflare.com/sign-up/web-analytics

It’s currently broken. I have a free account and wanted to have a look at it. First it didn’t show at all in my dashboard, after a while it showed up, and I was able to complete onboarding and look at the (empty) results page. When I then refreshed it, I got 404 and now the web analytics button is gone again.

Would mind trying again here? It should work now!

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

#58

Also on the subject of not setting cookies. We're killing the __cfduid cookie for all customers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25357729

This is a great move, thank you. Options to purge analytics data and visitor logs would also be handy to give us more control over our users’ privacy, as well as the ability to transparently see how much of our user data you have collected and for how long it will be retained. And while I have your ear, please consider supporting web servers hosted on non-default ports, and the setting of custom Host headers behind y…

Can you elaborate on the "custom Host headers" ask?

Are you looking to rewrite the Host header as the request gets passed to the origin (without changing the resolution of the origin)? Or something more like domain fronting?

An example or two would be great so I can share with the team.

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

#59
post #12

What will be its key advantage over Google Analytics? Privacy and speed?

Since it does not require cookies, you don't need to display the GDPR consent banner. I think it's a good solution for small side projects when you don't need very accurate analytics.

I think this is conflating two things.

The cookie banner is required due to the ePrivacy law which predates GDPR.

GDPR consent would still be needed in what concerns personal managements and the reasons for collecting, storing and processing said information.

Re: Cloudflare’s privacy-first Web Analytics is now available for everyone

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post #26

As much as I applaud every alternative to Google services, I would think about these kind of analytics twice when running any kind of developer-centric service. Chance is that your target audience is running an adblocker / DNS blocker of some sort and that this will heavily skew the analytics results: The absolute numbers will be a lot lower and you will only capture folks not savvy enough for adblockers. I removed a…

If you're interested in how many visitors are using an adblocker you can use Admiral's [1] free analytics on your site. [1] https://getadmiral.com (Full disclosure: I'm a co-founder at Admiral)

I’m not seeing where the free analytics is on the homepage (at least on mobile).

But I’m curious - do you have any off the cuff stats on what is typical as far as % of users with Adblock across various types of audiences?

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