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Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by baybal2 »

yvdriess wrote: post #132
ralfn wrote: post #111

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Most competitive chips in the world are produced by machines made in the Netherlands at ASMI/ASML The US companies do what they do best: innovate business models and find ways to vendor lock in and own the market. But who's been doing all the research keeping moore's law alive? Lithography? For a country as small as the Netherlands, you can wonder if we could afford from a geopolitical point of view to be producing a…

> It does make it baffling why Intel is unable to produce 5nn chips with the same ASML machines TSC is using. It must be management failing Boeing style. ASML machines do not produce chips, they're just ones doing the etching. There is a ton around what you do with it, and how all the rest of the chip is produced. They don't come with pre-programmed transistor gate templates. Each fab company has its own libraries of…

ASML never did etchers

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Post by amelius »

joelbluminator wrote: post #196

Why isn't Netherlands mentioned btw? What semiconductors companies did Germany , France and Spain built so far? Netherlands has ASML, NXP and ASM...

Here is a list of semiconductor fabrication plants:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricat...

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Post by trasz »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #151
nr2x wrote: post #58

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Finland knows a thing or two, even if not present in the headline.

Are you Finnish? I'm really curious what happened to all those hardware and electrical engineers developing phones for Nokia/Microsoft before they went bust, respawned as HMD, packed up and moved their production and R&D to China. Did they pivot to other industries in Finland? If so, which industries? Were they valued as much in the other industries or did they take significant pay cuts? Or did they have to pack up a…

Lots of them work for Huawei.

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Post by foepys »

Tade0 wrote: post #228
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #215

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I think GP's point is that when you consider their output they're really not the bigger names.

Perhaps it's because at least in NXP's case the reason why headquarters are there and not somewhere else is that the Netherlands are a tax haven for IP-heavy companies.

Here is some more information about one of the schemes where Dutch law helps avoiding taxes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Sandwich

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Post by kzrdude »

queuep wrote: post #68
kzrdude wrote: post #33

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I've never heard of Sweden being big in (electronics/IT) hardware manufacturing, what kind of industries are there?

Not alot anymore, although alot of Swedes still think they are in the lead. Although, Ericsson had their manufacturing in Sweden before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ericsson

I see. I guess Axis Communications is doing ok too.. but do any of these have any euoropean manufacturing?

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by joelbluminator »

Tade0 wrote: post #228
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #215

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I think GP's point is that when you consider their output they're really not the bigger names.

Perhaps it's because at least in NXP's case the reason why headquarters are there and not somewhere else is that the Netherlands are a tax haven for IP-heavy companies.

NXP originated from Philips afaik, so it is a by product of a Dutch company. Why would headquarters move elsewhere?

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Post by agumonkey »

sitkack wrote: post #152
arnaudsm wrote: post #8

This is a great decision! I never understood why Europe under-invested in semi considering the talents they have and the strategic nature of it. Intel is dying a slow death, ARM is leaving UK's control, and TSMC is slowly taken over by China. The tables are turning.

NXP and STM are both European companies. Arm is from the UK. I do agree that every continent should have a modern fab along with the supply chain to feed and repair it.

Hold on, who own ARM now ? softbank did sell it ? was it to nvidia or apple ?

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Post by bazooka_penguin »

yaantc wrote: post #139
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #125

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>Most competitive chips in the world are produced by machines made in the Netherlands at ASMI/ASML AFAIK, ASMLs fancy EUV tech comes from a Bay Area company they acquired a while ago and not from the Netherlands.

If you refer to Cymer, they're doing the light source. A critical part of the system certainly, but not the whole. Then mirrors are done by Carl Zeiss in Germany. The blank photomask come mostly from 2 Japanses companies. On such complex systems there's room for many critical providers. Still, the integrated product comes from ASML.

Cymer is the linchpin of ASML's leadership. Other litho machine developers like Canon and Nikon almost dropped out of the industry because they couldn't develop functional EUV light sources. ASML got around that by buying Cymer. And ASML has multiple other R&D labs and offices in the US handling critical technologies like software and robotics
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