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EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by hutzlibu »

bzb6 wrote: post #185
hutzlibu wrote: post #184

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In germany there is definitely no free healthcare. It is just, that when you are employed, your employer has to pay it. When you freelance or are a student, or unemployed you definitely have to pay for it. But in a nice way, based on your income.

If you are unemployed or a student you have no income.

Depends. There is Bafög for studends and ALG1/2 for unemployed (plus health insurance). Also you can work as student (limited mostly)

But even if you have no income, you still have to pay for health insurance(lowest fee). I know that quite well from some time ago. You also cannot just quit health insurance, as long as you life in germany.

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Post by MangoCoffee »

LunaSea wrote: post #174
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #153

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There will be quite a few people that stop them.

Like they did for Hong Kong?

HK doesn't have its own military. its a 99 yrs lease to UK that UK hand back.

Taiwan's history is complicated. it have its own military. its people pay taxes to Taiwan, not China. Taiwan's safety is its own responsibility. its more than possible that China can take Taiwan by force but at what price. its not like Taiwan's military have no teeth.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by jason0597 »

jariel wrote: post #92
claudeganon wrote: post #72

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Some people prefer to live in societies with some semblance of basic humanity, where people don't go bankrupt and die from treatable illnesses. Or are just generally more rational than the average American.

This is clearly bigotry, it's really not appropriate. (FYI, I'm not an American - though I've lived in a few states, and also in two major European countries for quite some time, including having worked for a branch of the EU government.)

>including having worked for a branch of the EU government.

I'm a bit confused. There is no "EU government". There are EU institutions and EU bodies, but there isn't a central government in the EU.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by [deleted] »

bzb6 wrote: post #185
hutzlibu wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In germany there is definitely no free healthcare. It is just, that when you are employed, your employer has to pay it. When you freelance or are a student, or unemployed you definitely have to pay for it. But in a nice way, based on your income.

If you are unemployed or a student you have no income.

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Post by LockAndLol »

Now, invest about the same in EU media and we might have some more influence. A majority of audiovisual media that people see and hear is made by USAian companies that project a USAian view onto the world. They took advantage of a broken Europe after the second world war and have been reaping the benefits ever since.

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Post by Thimothy »

_prototype_ wrote: post #199
czzr wrote: post #163

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Eastern Europe, presumably?

Central Europe actually

For the unaware, Central Europe is a narrow band that comprises Czechs, Slovaks and Polish. Who can get very offended if you even dare to suggest that they belong to Eastern Europe.

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Post by Tade0 »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #215
hans1729 wrote: post #205

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>The signatories include Belgium, Croatia, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Italy, Malta, the Netherlands, Portugal and Slovenia. GER and FR are just bigger names

I think GP's point is that when you consider their output they're really not the bigger names.

Perhaps it's because at least in NXP's case the reason why headquarters are there and not somewhere else is that the Netherlands are a tax haven for IP-heavy companies.

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Post by andruby »

arnaudsm wrote: post #193
ralfn wrote: post #111

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Most competitive chips in the world are produced by machines made in the Netherlands at ASMI/ASML The US companies do what they do best: innovate business models and find ways to vendor lock in and own the market. But who's been doing all the research keeping moore's law alive? Lithography? For a country as small as the Netherlands, you can wonder if we could afford from a geopolitical point of view to be producing a…

> It will end up in the pockets of friends and families of politicians that will be in "the management". 100% agree. Considering the incredible education system and engineers we have, the 2 only things restraining Europe from reaching Silicon Valley level are corrupt politicians and risk-adverse VCs.

In my opinion you've hit the major reasons. I would also include that culture, and especially founder culture is different too, and that hampers these "massive scope" ventures. A somewhat more fractured local market (languages, laws, markets, habits) also plays against it.

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Post by nraynaud »

yaantc wrote: post #218
y04nn wrote: post #178

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Exactly my thought, ST Microelectronics is producing microchips in Grenoble, France, not far from where I live. And ST Micro chips are heavenly used in IOT. Maybe it's more than the semiconductor sector and includes telecommunications, networks equipment, phone/pc CPUs.

There is no need for advanced nodes for micro-controllers. Typically even advanced µC use 40nm, planar, where the TSMC leading node is 5nm FinFET. ST also does FD-SOI 22nm if I remember well, but that's the densest node they have and nowhere near the current state of the art at TSMC. The thing is, micro-controllers do not need advanced nodes. They don't have a lot of logic (it's all relative, but compared to a PC CPU…

It’s true, I guess it’s also about looking for success somewhere else (mems and weird elements) instead of direct competition on integration size.
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