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EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by joelbluminator »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #49
tomcooks wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free healthcare, somehow reasonable housing prices outside of huge city centers, proximity to elderly parents, generally higher quality of life, to name few reasons.

Americans who are able to get jobs in the tech industry do not have to worry about expensive healthcare, at all. The US is very much a tale of two countries - but people here making a lot of money have a great quality of life.

Well you gotta worry u won't lose your job though right? Which becomes more and more realistic as you age. So just when you need insurance the most you may lose your insurance - nice system.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by adrianN »

nickpp wrote: post #160
madeofpalk wrote: post #158

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Again, no one is actually confused by this. We consider roads to be "free", but with the understanding that we do pay for it in the end through taxes.

Never heard the expression "free roads". Around here we know infrastructure costs billions. Also paid from our taxes.

You'd hear the expression more often if there were countries who thought it wise to tie "free" road use to having a well paying job.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by FeepingCreature »

yostrovs wrote: post #126
claudeganon wrote: post #103

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I know. My mother was an immigrant to the US. I've also seen family members go broke and commit suicide after being unable to afford medical care that would otherwise would have been provided to them in more humane countries. Apologies if this colors my view of America's "humanity."

It's always about health insurance. It's the one defining characteristic of nations. The narrow mindedness is incredible.

Health is kind of important.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by LunaSea »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #153
jonplackett wrote: post #140

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They're just saying it's a worry. The point is if China decide to do this, there isn't anyone who can stop them.

There will be quite a few people that stop them.

Like they did for Hong Kong?

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by sjogress »

norwegianwhale wrote: post #46
Aerroon wrote: post #24

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This push probably won't work because it's a push by politicians. They've managed to create conditions that are not suitable for the organic growth of the semi-conductor industry in Europe. Now they're slowly realizing that it's a problem, but it's a bit too late. You can't force an industry to appear and expect it to be competitive on a global scale. People are still going to be buying devices with chips manufacture…

Why on earth a productive company would move to Europe, where your revenues are automatically slashed by 50% in taxes, and you are constantly exposed to whimsical unfettered politicians.. They could start here. Why Facebook, Google, Amazon don't open massive headquarters in Paris, Madrid, Rome or Berlin, and they rather stick to UK and Switzerland? Also software managers won't move to Europe for the same reasons. Eur…

I dont' think the difference between EU and US taxes on revenue are all that different.

If you compare Panama, or other tax havens where multinational companies like to stash their revenue, to the EU then you probably have a point.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by jolux »

folago wrote: post #150
Gravityloss wrote: post #48

So, what would a new bleeding edge modern architecture and instruction set look like if one could start from scratch? I assume general computing so cell phones and servers are the target.

Maybe the Mill? https://millcomputing.com/ edit: added link.

They’re never going to finish it though.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by y04nn »

nraynaud wrote: post #83
arnaudsm wrote: post #8

This is a great decision! I never understood why Europe under-invested in semi considering the talents they have and the strategic nature of it. Intel is dying a slow death, ARM is leaving UK's control, and TSMC is slowly taken over by China. The tables are turning.

what's weird is that Europe has never been that bad, there are ST Microelectronics MEMS and MCUs everywhere.

Exactly my thought, ST Microelectronics is producing microchips in Grenoble, France, not far from where I live.

And ST Micro chips are heavenly used in IOT. Maybe it's more than the semiconductor sector and includes telecommunications, networks equipment, phone/pc CPUs.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by ben-schaaf »

burlesona wrote: post #108
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #29

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Well for one, I and everyone I know happen to live here. I guess if someone can suffer the US' shitty conditions, I guess there's nothing stopping them from going there... except for the US's stringent immigration policies. Can't just hop over the pond to go work there, and I'm fairly sure it's easier for a US citizen to work here than the other way around. Of course, that too is deincentivized thanks to US tax laws…

This is a rude and ignorant statement. First, you admit that "you and everyone you know" live in Europe. Perhaps consider not making sweeping generalizations about places that neither you nor anyone you know live. Second, the many US States are far from perfect, as are the many EU member nations, but conditions in the US in general are hardly "shitty." Other's have pointed out the extraordinary number of immigrants t…

> 92% of people have health insurance

I don't mean to take away from anything else you've said, but that statistic is incredibly misleading. It specifically states 92% were insured for at least part of 2019. It also ignores the quality and effectiveness of the insurance.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2...

> In the first half of 2020, 43.4 percent of U.S. adults ages 19 to 64 were inadequately insured.

> The adult uninsured rate was 12.5 percent. In addition, 9.5 percent of adults were insured but had a gap in coverage in the past year and 21.3 percent were underinsured.

> A quarter of those who were continuously insured and did not meet the threshold for underinsurance also reported problems paying bills.

> People who reported problems paying medical bills experienced lingering financial problems including damage to their credit ratings and depleted savings.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by joelbluminator »

yostrovs wrote: post #126
claudeganon wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know. My mother was an immigrant to the US. I've also seen family members go broke and commit suicide after being unable to afford medical care that would otherwise would have been provided to them in more humane countries. Apologies if this colors my view of America's "humanity."

It's always about health insurance. It's the one defining characteristic of nations. The narrow mindedness is incredible.

Totally, I mean who cares about health right?
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