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Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

kuschku wrote: post #71
carlmr wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Netflix, IBM IBM and Google both came almost directly from government money. Amazon, Microsoft and Netflix are arguably actual startups.

Although Microsoft really started as a subcontractor for IBM, which again shows the knock-on effects good government subsidies can have. Hadn't the DoD started SV, most of these companies wouldn't exist today.

Had WW2 never happen or the US not be in such an advantageous geographical position away from the "trouble", SV might not exist today.

The snowball/butterfly effect is real.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by jariel »

claudeganon wrote: post #72
jariel wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"if someone can suffer the US' shitty conditions, " So crap, that people around the world are fighting to get in, what for those jobs that pay 2-3x, and real exciting projects to work on, and for the most part people that actually don't care about your funny accent. It's unwise to discount one of the US's fundamental, perennial and systematic advantages as somehow a drawback. Like it or not - the US has been sucking…

Some people prefer to live in societies with some semblance of basic humanity, where people don't go bankrupt and die from treatable illnesses. Or are just generally more rational than the average American.

This is clearly bigotry, it's really not appropriate.

(FYI, I'm not an American - though I've lived in a few states, and also in two major European countries for quite some time, including having worked for a branch of the EU government.)

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by yostrovs »

dataflow wrote: post #64
jeromenerf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Is there anything impactful that is somehow European (not from a single European country, but as a collaboration between) with the exception of airbus and CERN? It’s not that there aren’t skills and talents in space, cars, pharma, construction, energy, etc. Edit: clarification.

Others already responded with STEM examples... but since you said "anything", I'll go in another direction and also point at GDPR.

Indeed, a historic achievement.

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by yostrovs »

melenaboija wrote: post #39
Zdup wrote: post #12

How will they be keeping talent? I heard workers in IT are paid low compared to other jobs and especially compared to similar jobs in North America, what stops them. from just going to US/Canada?

- Not everybody from Europe wants to go to North America - US specifically starts to feel weird for non US citizens - There are immigration laws

" US specifically starts to feel weird for non US citizens". - The US is the largest importer of immigrants now and for many decades prior. Weird, right?

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by sseveran »

jariel wrote: post #22
norwegianwhale wrote: post #7

I find it quite off putting, that the general approach of EU institutions is to direct resources and economic activity from the top. It not only has demonstrated to be a failure economically, but it's an arrogant attitude by politicians, giving the message they know better than individuals, and that a free market leads to preventable bad outcomes. Also, it's tied to price controls and redistribution concepts. They wi…

In some cases it works better than others, and often it's needed. Consider that in the US, the decisions are also 'made from the Top' but often from large investment firms that decide where the money goes. When an industry is small and new, it's more open. But for commercial aircraft like for regular airlines, there is zero hope unless the government coordinates it. There's no 'hey, invest $20 Billion in my startup,…

There is at least one YC company that would beg to differ with respect to airlines. Boom Technology.

https://boomsupersonic.com

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by brmgb »

Jacqued wrote: post #60
Zdup wrote: post #12

How will they be keeping talent? I heard workers in IT are paid low compared to other jobs and especially compared to similar jobs in North America, what stops them. from just going to US/Canada?

In most places the cost of living is pretty low compared to the US, so even the admittedly lower engineer salaries in Europe can give you a very comfortable lifestyle. Eg. in France if you make 60-80k and live anywhere other than Paris you're doing great. For the top end of talent there's always freelancing, with a different, higher band of earning levels.

Yes but it's not really easy to make 60-80k in France in the tech industry outside of Paris. I used to be in charge of part a product and lead a small team for a formely state-owned large industrial company in the suburb of Paris and was making less than 50k when I left (given the other advantages I was actually making more). I could probably have been paid four times more in the USA (admitedly I could have been paid more in France too but the job was interesting).

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by acqq »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #49
tomcooks wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free healthcare, somehow reasonable housing prices outside of huge city centers, proximity to elderly parents, generally higher quality of life, to name few reasons.

Americans who are able to get jobs in the tech industry do not have to worry about expensive healthcare, at all. The US is very much a tale of two countries - but people here making a lot of money have a great quality of life.

As far as I understand it's not about "get in" it's more about "get in every time" that is the issue having:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

combined with that "one illness/accident away from the catastrophe."

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by Aerroon »

WhoCaresLies wrote: post #14
LunaSea wrote: post #10

What will actually happen: some countries will spend a trivial amount of money in a PR stunt with not coordination between the countries and result in no advance for the EU countries participating. Source: All other industries in Europe.

Energy, Steel, Semi(ARM), Pharma, Luxury, Distribution, Telecom Giants in Europe, there are a lot more Only Americans think the opposite, i wonder why.. And speaking of market, Europe is a big player, https://www.vgchartz.com/ console sales speak for itself Stop being brainwashed

The EU is ahead of the US in crude steel production, but we're about 6 times behind China.[0]

ARM is in the UK and not the EU. It's owned by a Japanese company and soon an American one.

Does Europe do that well in pharmaceuticals? It looks to me like the US is leading in biomedical research publications. [1] Some European countries are ahead when measured per capita, but only some and that's not an important figure here.

The rest I'm unsure about, but I would like to note that as a market China would easily dwarf Europe. As China becomes richer Europe will become less important in comparison.

[0] Page 10 at https://www.worldsteel.org/en/dam/jcr:f7982217-cfde-4fdc-8ba... (PDF)

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4566288/#!po=13...

Re: EU countries team up for semiconductor push

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Post by chokeartist »

robert_foss wrote: post #70
burlesona wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is TSMC being taken over by China?

Only 14 out of 193 UN countries recognize Taiwan as an independent state. Given how Hong Kong was forced to bend the knee recently, I'd say this is a reasonable worry.

Will never happen.

One reason: Three Gorges Dam, specifically that Taiwan has vaguely threatened to strike it first, if they were ever invaded.

China could take Taiwan, easily. Likewise, Taiwan could cause 5M to 10M dead Chongers, easily.

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