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This strikes me as an infantile response to a sensible business move. We need to grow up, realize that the free lunch is over, and pay for what we value. And developers, including large companies, need to stop coddling us by offering us their best work for free.

Edit: "We" includes me; I should pay for more software too (not that I use any commercial software illegally; I only mean choosing paid products over free ones).

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https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2020-Dece...

Oh, wow. I'm running CentOS 8 on my home server. Anyone have any recomendations for a good, stable, home server OS?

any Ubuntu LTS version!

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Not knowing much about Linux distros, can anyone explain the popularity of CentOS to me? I mean, having used it only a few times, my impression of CentOS is "a Linux with lots of horribly outdated software, in the name of compatibility and well-testedness". Eg when I used it last, the PHP version it shipped with was 8 years old. Now, I understand the appeal of that to certain super risk averse enterprises who value s…

“my impression of CentOS is "a Linux with lots of horribly outdated software”

It is and it’s the secret reason Docker and Containers became so popular.

I’ve been a systems administrator for sometime now. At some point developers wanted to run Python 3 on CentOS 6 and here we are.

It allowed the systems administrators to let the developers go wild in their own sandbox and keep the systems “pristine”.

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Why the hell do huge companies spend tons to acquire things and then kill them? This seems to happen more in computing than other industries. You don't see shipping companies buying completely functional container ships so they can park them out in the middle of the ocean and dynamite a hole in the hull and watch them go glug glug glug for the lulz.

happened to me in publishing. we had built our own online portal to our legal book products, couple million a year in revenue and growing, bought by Reuters, everything shut down, didn’t even bother to look into keeping any of our talent around either. it was weird! severance package was great though.

The 'remove-competitor-while-still-cheap-to-do-so' rationale then, probably.

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#75

I hope IBM/Redhat see how negatively this decision has been received and announce a reversal in the coming few days.

    1. Denial
    2. Anger
    3. Bargaining
    4. Depression
    5. Acceptance
You are at 3.

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#76
Being out of touch from the Linux distro world, this is rather sudden.

I still run CentOS on many of my dedicated servers (now known as bare-metal) from a decade ago. While almost everything else was all custom-built anyways, I guess the lack of core updates is going to be a problem. Though, CentOS 6 was going to reach EOL soon anyways.

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Why the hell do huge companies spend tons to acquire things and then kill them? This seems to happen more in computing than other industries. You don't see shipping companies buying completely functional container ships so they can park them out in the middle of the ocean and dynamite a hole in the hull and watch them go glug glug glug for the lulz.

What makes you think that CentOS was killed? It will be available and actively maintained.

> What makes you think that CentOS was killed?

Their own announcement yesterday.

> It will be available and actively maintained.

CentOS8 will not be after 31 December 2021, that's what they announced yesterday. CentOS7 will be, until 30 June 2024, according to their current status page, but who's going to trust them after what they pulled yesterday? Overnight, they changed CentOS8's End-of-life from 31 May 2029 to 31 Dec 2021. Surely you understand that that made a few people a bit upset.

The only thing actively maintained in the future will be CentOS Stream, which is not CentOS classic as people understoond and used it. CentOS classic were RHEL-release clones without Redhat branding and support. CentOS Stream is RHEL-next Beta.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the hell do huge companies spend tons to acquire things and then kill them? This seems to happen more in computing than other industries. You don't see shipping companies buying completely functional container ships so they can park them out in the middle of the ocean and dynamite a hole in the hull and watch them go glug glug glug for the lulz.

What makes you think that CentOS was killed? It will be available and actively maintained.

Just because CentOS Stream has "CentOS" in its name does not mean it's the same thing - CentOS, as is known currently, will effectively stop existing once CentOS7 is no longer supported (not to mention CentOS8 will not even be supported for previously announced period).

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Not knowing much about Linux distros, can anyone explain the popularity of CentOS to me? I mean, having used it only a few times, my impression of CentOS is "a Linux with lots of horribly outdated software, in the name of compatibility and well-testedness". Eg when I used it last, the PHP version it shipped with was 8 years old. Now, I understand the appeal of that to certain super risk averse enterprises who value s…

Why wouldn't normal users want CentOS for the same reason enterprises want RHEL?

If I were more serious about the stability of my personal server and website, I'd probably have picked CentOS up until this fiasco. Since I tinker with it from time to time, I ended up just going with Ubuntu Server, but it isn't hard to see the appeal of CentOS.

Not to mention, enterprises love to save money. Plus, I imagine it's pretty attractive for many engineers to avoid the headaches of license management when dealing with containers and VMs. If you're not going to use the enterprise support that comes with REHL, why would you even bother with it?

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I've had to argue a lot of time at work on the merit of running a Debian system. Everyone coming in has always been keen on just getting CentOS up for a server. Outside vendors also just tell me: "we need CentOS X for this", and I've never understood the reason for that. Having run both systems, I know that Debian is much more solid. Sometimes the argument even comes down to: "Oh but when I search online for guides,…

The one big issue with Debian is installing a package results in the service starting immediately. On CentOS and other distros this is not the case and the user has to start the service after the installation. I prefer the latter behavior as not everything I install is going to be a 24/7 service. I'd prefer not to mask some service because stopping and disabling leads to the service randomly starting after a package upgrade.
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