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Post by fuzzy2 »

alfyboy wrote: post #11
bem94 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2020-Dece...

Oh, wow. I'm running CentOS 8 on my home server. Anyone have any recomendations for a good, stable, home server OS?

For any regular server I’d recommend Debian. However, on my home server, I run Arch. It’s a pain with the upgrades, but I have access to all the latest and greatest software to tinker with. Which I feel is exactly what a home server is for. :-)

The only thing I had to build for myself was an Arch install ISO with ZFS included.

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Post by tyingq »

mhd wrote: post #23

My existential dread about this is worsened when I read suggestions that the best possible alternative is Oracle Linux...

I wonder if Amazon might do something like what they did with their Corretto java distribution.

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Post by CydeWeys »

igotroot wrote: post #48
JayDoubleu wrote: post #27

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Oracle linux is not an alternative to anything. Anything with the name Oracle is no longer alternative to anything either.

No bullshit, but my org went to Oracle Linux and we haven't had any issues whatsoever. Not saying to switch to it, but it isn't like the server implodes if you disconnect a credit card swiper from it.

Technical problems aren't the primary reason people recommend against using Oracle, it's the extortion that happens further down the road once they've got you locked in. And in the case of Oracle Linux, that seems to be almost a certainty at some point.

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Post by rntksi »

I've had to argue a lot of time at work on the merit of running a Debian system.

Everyone coming in has always been keen on just getting CentOS up for a server. Outside vendors also just tell me: "we need CentOS X for this", and I've never understood the reason for that.

Having run both systems, I know that Debian is much more solid.

Sometimes the argument even comes down to: "Oh but when I search online for guides, it's always RedHat/CentOS"

It's driving me mad sometimes.

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Post by marcinzm »

skrebbel wrote: post #47

Not knowing much about Linux distros, can anyone explain the popularity of CentOS to me? I mean, having used it only a few times, my impression of CentOS is "a Linux with lots of horribly outdated software, in the name of compatibility and well-testedness". Eg when I used it last, the PHP version it shipped with was 8 years old. Now, I understand the appeal of that to certain super risk averse enterprises who value s…

>developer or user happiness

Some developers just want to build software that works for a decade with a minor updates. They don't want to play a perpetual game of catch up to the latest trend and dependency overhaul. A consistent old version of PHP is better than having to rewrite their code every year as language features become deprecated or changed.

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Post by igotroot »

CydeWeys wrote: post #63
igotroot wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No bullshit, but my org went to Oracle Linux and we haven't had any issues whatsoever. Not saying to switch to it, but it isn't like the server implodes if you disconnect a credit card swiper from it.

Technical problems aren't the primary reason people recommend against using Oracle, it's the extortion that happens further down the road once they've got you locked in. And in the case of Oracle Linux, that seems to be almost a certainty at some point.

Fair point, they don't have the best track record :)

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Post by helen___keller »

skrebbel wrote: post #47

Not knowing much about Linux distros, can anyone explain the popularity of CentOS to me? I mean, having used it only a few times, my impression of CentOS is "a Linux with lots of horribly outdated software, in the name of compatibility and well-testedness". Eg when I used it last, the PHP version it shipped with was 8 years old. Now, I understand the appeal of that to certain super risk averse enterprises who value s…

> I think I understand RHEL and I think I understand Fedora, but I never got the appeal of CentOS.

The appeal of CentOS was a gratis rebuild of RHEL, so if you understand why people use RHEL then CentOS is the same but without the paid enterprise support.

> Now, I understand the appeal of that to certain super risk averse enterprises who value stability over any kind of developer or user happiness (including the ability to run latests versions of userland software that happens to require somewhat recent php/python/etc versions). But aren't those exactly the kinds of enterprises that would want normal RHEL licenses anyway?

It's a jump in logic to assume that just because an enterprise wants stability, then they want to pay for support. That's simply not the case.

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Post by jsiepkes »

skrebbel wrote: post #47

Not knowing much about Linux distros, can anyone explain the popularity of CentOS to me? I mean, having used it only a few times, my impression of CentOS is "a Linux with lots of horribly outdated software, in the name of compatibility and well-testedness". Eg when I used it last, the PHP version it shipped with was 8 years old. Now, I understand the appeal of that to certain super risk averse enterprises who value s…

> super risk averse enterprises who value stability over any kind of developer or user happiness.

Some services just need to run and get security updates and no one cares about "new features" for them. They just need to keep running. At some point every company is going to end up with services which are like that (ie. in maintenance mode).

No user is going to care some feature was added to NFSv4. They will care if their shared drives are unavailable because some feature was added to the NFSv4 daemon which causes stability issues.

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Post by edsemail123 »

CydeWeys wrote: post #63
igotroot wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No bullshit, but my org went to Oracle Linux and we haven't had any issues whatsoever. Not saying to switch to it, but it isn't like the server implodes if you disconnect a credit card swiper from it.

Technical problems aren't the primary reason people recommend against using Oracle, it's the extortion that happens further down the road once they've got you locked in. And in the case of Oracle Linux, that seems to be almost a certainty at some point.

Same scenario as getting ingested by IBM after all
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