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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by zerocrates »

Twirrim wrote: post #92
pmlnr wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true, because the current CO is not a rolling update. RHEL security fixes for version X.Y may or may not fix security issues for version Z.A on CO, if the are not in sync.

> Not true, because the current CO is not a rolling update. I'm not sure where I claimed it was?

They're saying that Stream will be getting the normal package updates first as a kind of testbed, which is different than before.

So you're getting some instability by being first in line for updates, but you're still second fiddle for security fixes.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by moocowtruck »

awill wrote: post #109

This is awful. It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, which I think we all knew was coming. Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. Why on earth didn't they make this switch starting with CentOS 9???? Let's not sugar coat this. They've betrayed their users. I personally run a CentOS 7 server (as…

did you pay for a support contract for centOS ? or is this something free you expected to be some contractual thing?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by hxtk »

chefkoch wrote: post #427
wronglebowski wrote: post #333

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Out of curiosity why did you decide to deploy your application as a VM image? Is there a reason you didn't go with a Helm chart or other container native deployment?

>a Helm chart As a sysadmin i have never heard of this and es tun 800 VMs.

It's a bundle of jinja2 templates for YAML files defining Kubernetes API resources. There's an accompanying application, Helm, which applies values to the templates and handles the interaction with the Kubernetes API.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by j3th9n »

cozzyd wrote: post #129
awill wrote: post #109

This is awful. It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, which I think we all knew was coming. Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. Why on earth didn't they make this switch starting with CentOS 9???? Let's not sugar coat this. They've betrayed their users. I personally run a CentOS 7 server (as…

The EL6 EOL was a bit over a week ago, meaning that likely a large number of people just migrated from EL6 to EL8 (skipping EL7).

Yep, that's exactly what I did.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by JetSpiegel »

mastre_ wrote: post #299
symlinkk wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d like to use Amazon Linux but it doesn’t seem like they provide ISOs. Seems like it’s intended to be used largely on EC2.

Don't forget that AL also runs on Amazon's A1 ARM instances.

There's a CentOS ARM variant, I believe it's semi-official.

Works ok on a RPi.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by pabs3 »

jmnicolas wrote: post #200
awill wrote: post #109

This is awful. It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, which I think we all knew was coming. Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. Why on earth didn't they make this switch starting with CentOS 9???? Let's not sugar coat this. They've betrayed their users. I personally run a CentOS 7 server (as…

Yes this hurts. My use case is specific: I'm a dev but since we're 2 in the IT service with barely any budget I'm also a (modest) sysadmin and they also call me when the printer or the TV doesn't work. So a few years ago when Debian decided to have faster release cycles I migrated all my VM to CentOS: once the OS is installed I don't want to think about it for the next 10 years. I still didn't finish my Windows 7 to…

Debian now has LTS releases:

https://wiki.debian.org/LTS

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by the_duke »

hxtk wrote: post #483
chefkoch wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>a Helm chart As a sysadmin i have never heard of this and es tun 800 VMs.

It's a bundle of jinja2 templates for YAML files defining Kubernetes API resources. There's an accompanying application, Helm, which applies values to the templates and handles the interaction with the Kubernetes API.

Helm uses Golangs built-in template language which is definitely not jinja2 compatible.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by hxtk »

donmcronald wrote: post #453
mmcgrath1 wrote: post #228

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Before giving up on us just yet, I'd encourage you to check out our developer program for proper RHEL that's free. And I'd stay tuned for announcements that are coming in the first half of 2021 (as mentioned in our FAQ). You might find we've got a program for you: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10

RHEL licensing is really disappointing for the low end. I use CentOS for my home lab / self-hosted development setup and there's no way I would switch to RHEL. It doesn't matter because I don't spend any money, but I'll probably swap to Ubuntu next time I re-build my server. Here [1] is an example of what I dislike. That page doesn't explain if a subscription is for 1 host or all my hosts and it doesn't explain if it…

> It doesn't matter because I don't spend any money, but I'll probably swap to Ubuntu next time I re-build my server.

It kind of does matter, though, because at least for me, I am much more familiar with my home systems than what I use at work.

I started out using Redhat at work, so I migrated my home lab to CentOS to gain more familiarity, which meant that when new projects started, I advocated for Red Hat. But if I'm forced to migrate to a different production grade distro at home and develop expertise with it, the next time there's a question about what OS to use for a new project, I can imagine myself pushing for the one I will have spent the last few years tinkering with at home by that point instead.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by Fnoord »

bonzini wrote: post #435
kbenson wrote: post #402

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>>> it's a change that has strictly technical motives. I understand the business reasons for doing so. I don't agree with anyone branding this as done for purely technical reasons. Having CentOS Stream may be needed for technical reasons. Stopping CentOS 8 is in no way a technical decision. They are unrelated in any technical sense. If Red Hat just doesn't want to put resources towards CentOS as it traditionally exis…

The thing is, Red Hat never considered the distro more than a side effect of providing a base for developing "things" that will run on RHEL. It's even written on the centos.org home page, the distro is not why CentOS existed in 2020. So the fact that users (including myself!!) enjoyed a free distro as a result was not a part of Red Hat's RHEL strategy in any way.

IBM is all about expensive support contracts. We cannot afford RHEL. So we went with CentOS 7 and recently CentOS 8. I migrated some machines from 7 to 8. Turns out I did that for one year. My boss wasted precious money there, and it isn't getting us closer to RHEL. My take is its getting us closer to Debian Stable instead. Which is RedHat's loss because a migration to RHEL is then more out of the picture. They know this. They thought of the above. And they are fine with it. That is not a technical decision, as you said. It is a business decision.
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