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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by mulmen »

em500 wrote: post #30
messe wrote: post #11

> CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end of 2021 Does this mean that CentOS 8 is EOL come 2021? Weren't maintenance updates meant to go to 2029? What about everybody who built their product on the assumption that there would be a stable CentOS until then?

> Does this mean that CentOS 8 is EOL come 2021? They've just eradicated almost all mentions of CentOS 8 from their main website. So: yes. > What about everybody who built their product on the assumption that there would be a stable CentOS until then? They just got what they paid for?

> They just got what they paid for?

Not really. If you depend on CentOS it is reasonable you would contribute to it. There has to be a nonzero number of CentOS users that contributed to the project ("paid") that are now left holding the bag.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by Koshkin »

bonzini wrote: post #364
kbenson wrote: post #354

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That in no way explains why they don't continue to have both. They indeed will have both for another year. There was no requirement the Stream product even use the CentOS name. CentOS was a community project whose leadership and control was taken over (acqui-hired as you say) by Red Hat and then it's core use case for the majority of people actually using it was discontinued. That is a statement of facts that happene…

> That in no way explains why they don't continue to have both Because they don't need it anymore. CentOS Linux or other rebuilds can still exist (just not using the name; I disagree with that but I can understand Red Hat doesn't want its name attached to something that might have large delays in security fixes in the future) if somebody funds it or volunteers to do it, just like CentOS still supports Xen but RHEL do…

> Because they don't need it anymore.

Isn’t that the crux of the problem? CentOS used to be about “us” (the users), not “them.”

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by fomine3 »

jcrites wrote: post #260
apecat wrote: post #140

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Wonder if the web hosting industry will rebel and build another RHEL clone project that just gets the 10-year supported patches. Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? A really big chunk of the world's traditionally shared hosted websites run on CentOS, because most commercial control panel packages and hosting automation systems are built for that. A rebadged CentOS is also AWS's default distro. Wonder of…

Amazon Linux 2 could be a viable alternative. In addition to being available to run on AWS, it's also available as a container image and in various machine image formats: https://aws.amazon.com/amazon-linux-2/#Resources AL has had enough work put into it over the years that, while it may have been inspired by CentOS/RHEL originally, calling it a rebadged CentOS is not accurate these days. A full and competent team ma…

I tried to find official information about Amazon Linux but I can't find. Is it based on what distro? (maybe RHEL7 but not mentioned) How it's compatible to EPEL and other software for RHEL even though they are different from RHEL? (at least they uses different glibc version)

I'm really curious whether Amazon Linux is accepted by Linux guru or not. It seems that there are very little docs for a distribution.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by kergonath »

bayindirh wrote: post #235
apecat wrote: post #140

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Wonder if the web hosting industry will rebel and build another RHEL clone project that just gets the 10-year supported patches. Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? A really big chunk of the world's traditionally shared hosted websites run on CentOS, because most commercial control panel packages and hosting automation systems are built for that. A rebadged CentOS is also AWS's default distro. Wonder of…

There's a silent but relatively big user base of CentOS in HPC and scientific computing. ScientificLinux and CentOS rules all HPC clusters. Clusters are like enterprise servers. Big, monolithic, rarely upgraded. They're upgraded in one big-fell swoop and left to run. There'll be another clone of RHEL since HPC can't accept CentOS Stream as the alternative. The whole infra is too big to move to Debian too. So with tod…

My thoughts exactly. All our workstations and small-ish clusters run CentOS (we don’t maintain ourselves the large clusters so these are not our problem). It’s going to be a huge pain.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by chippiewill »

wronglebowski wrote: post #333
Jimmc414 wrote: post #266

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>> Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. The hypothetical you posed is the actual situation, I am now learning, I have apparently forced on my team. We've ramped up labor 3x revenue preparing product launch in 90 - 180 days. We created an image containing centos 8 , Java , postgres and tomcat a year ago an…

Out of curiosity why did you decide to deploy your application as a VM image? Is there a reason you didn't go with a Helm chart or other container native deployment?

You're asking why someone who uses CentOS hasn't gone with Helm charts?

That's like polar opposites of stability and bleeding edge.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by gbraad »

It actually provides transparency on the development of RHEL and provides one of the oft requested things they couldn't; that missing features for a package or a slightly newer version of something.

Jim Perrin explains it also here: https://jperrin.org/blog/thoughts-on-stream/

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by gbraad »

liv-io wrote: post #227

Seems like some folks are considering to create an alternative: https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/#com... https://join.slack.com/t/hpcng/shared_invite/zt-gy0st6mt-ijg...

Good luck, as it ain't that easy. Remember Whitebox Linux?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by jiofih »

ueshiba9 wrote: post #401
jmnicolas wrote: post #200

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Yes this hurts. My use case is specific: I'm a dev but since we're 2 in the IT service with barely any budget I'm also a (modest) sysadmin and they also call me when the printer or the TV doesn't work. So a few years ago when Debian decided to have faster release cycles I migrated all my VM to CentOS: once the OS is installed I don't want to think about it for the next 10 years. I still didn't finish my Windows 7 to…

So let's recap, you don't have budget to spend on Linux but pay Microsoft for Windows and probably Office... And now you are angry for allegedly not having a 10 year support for your OS, so you can avoid some work on upgrading or migrating the VMs. I suspect you should be running VMware as well (and paying for it), instead of KVM or some other open source hypervisor. If the VMs are on a public cloud, you are paying f…

Nice try IBM

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by mbakke »

symlinkk wrote: post #399
Twirrim wrote: post #369

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Canonical are also fairly actively involved in security fixes and among those brought in to the various security embargoes. They usually ship packages the same day embargoes drop.

Interesting, who else are involved in the embargoes? Anywhere I could read more about this?

Embargos are coordinated on the "linux-distros" mailing list:

https://oss-security.openwall.org/wiki/mailing-lists/distros

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