is there any license or other issue (apart from resources) restricting someone to just take on the Centos n downstream development in addition to redhat building stream?
CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oracle Linux is free with optional paid support. "Unlike many other commercial Linux distributions, Oracle Linux is easy to download and completely free to use, distribute, and update. Oracle Linux is available under the GNU General Public License (GPLv2). Support contracts are available from Oracle. " https://www.oracle.com/a/ocom/docs/027617.pdf [PDF]
never, Ever, EVER trust Oracle. Especially with something as important as an open source product. Evidence: Oracle's Sen. VP Glueck statement that "There is no math that can justify open source from a cost perspective." No chance you'll ever see me running OEL.
> never, Ever, EVER trust Oracle.
Been burned by them before. Not at liberty to give details, but the outcome is that I never choose Oracle for anything for the rest of my career. Even if it would save time and money.
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#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because Red Hat offers source code following section 3(a) instead. Thus, section 3(b) does not apply.
Really? When I do a yum update on my rhel systems to get the latest updates from rhn, they never download the source code. Now that I think about it, I don't think RH has even sent me any kind of medium which is commonly used for interchange.
I think that access to the private repository is considered a distribution. You have access to the sources with `dnf download --source` or something like that. The fact that those sources originally are on the remote server probably is not significant in 2020.
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#384What are the chances that someone starts another community project like CentOS where they remove the licenses and stuff from upstream RHEL and distribute it under a new name
Already happening. The guy who started CentOS is coordinating the new project. You can view the progress on Slack.
https://join.slack.com/t/hpcng/shared_invite/zt-gy0st6mt-ijg...
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#385Earlier quoted context omitted.
Stay tuned.
Yea sure, that's the way to handle this kind of announcement. 'We're killing CentOS 8 and you need to wait several months to see the 'supposed' good things this move brings.' Yea right.... All this '1H/1Q 2021' does is let IBM/RedHat determine how bad the fallout is before trying to cover their backsides.
Exactly. It boggles the mind the RH would make the announcement without having the new plans in place.
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
never, Ever, EVER trust Oracle. Especially with something as important as an open source product. Evidence: Oracle's Sen. VP Glueck statement that "There is no math that can justify open source from a cost perspective." No chance you'll ever see me running OEL.
Are there any license traps in Oracle Linux? Writing like this makes me very wary of putting Oracle Linux anywhere near my employer's systems https://www.computerworld.com/article/2992597/law-firm-warns... https://blog.dbwatch.com/how-to-avoid-oracles-licensing-trap... Then there's the famous lawn mover quote from Bryan Cantrill https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5170246
Can you imagine if they had successfully purchased TikTok?
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#387The writing's been on this wall since at least 2014, when RedHat took over CentOS. Having a free gateway to your paid product is fine, but at some point you need to give potential customers a nudge they can't refuse.
Pre-2014 it was fairly obvious that a full clone of a commercially supported product, with the proverbial 'just a search-and-replace of the product name', was going to attract interest & action from upstream.
OTOH in the ~25 years I've been using Debian, I've never been (rudely) surprised by one of their announcements. Their social contract [0] is clear on every point that's relevant to users of an OS, especially users looking to commit long term to a platform.
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#388Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I read this, CentOS Stream will still serve as a stable clone of RHEL just as it always has. The rolling distro will be tagged at a certain point in time for a RHEL release, and you can still choose to use that state as your production base, and be locked at that tag. Presumably there will be a CentOS Stream 9 tag that you can use for production. The difference will be that CentOS…
From https://www.centos.org/centos-stream/ CentOS Stream Continuously delivered distro that tracks just ahead of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) development, positioned as a midstream between Fedora Linux and RHEL. For anyone interested in participating and collaborating in the RHEL ecosystem, CentOS Stream is your reliable platform for innovation. That doesn't seem to be what you think it is, at least in my eyes. I'…
From the FAQ https://centos.org/distro-faq/ :
"Q6: Will there be separate/parallel/simultaneous streams for 8, 9, 10, etc?
"A: Each major release will have a branch, similar to how CentOS Linux is currently structured; however, CentOS Stream is designed to focus on RHEL development, so only the latest Stream will have the marketing focus of the CentOS Project.
"Because RHEL development cycles overlap, there will be times when there are multiple code branches in development at the same time.This allows users time to plan migrations and development work without being surprised by sudden changes.
"Specifically, since the RHEL release cadence is every 3 years, and the full support window is 5 years, this gives an overlap of approximately 2 years between one stream and the next."
Also from Q2:
"We will not be producing a CentOS Linux 9, as a rebuild of RHEL 9. Instead CentOS Stream 9 fulfills this role. (See Q6 below regarding the overlap between concurrent streams.)"
So it sounds to me like my assumption is correct: There will be separate streams reflecting each RHEL release.
Read the whole FAQ. This is not what people think it is.
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
Official CentOS/RHEL is more like Debian Stable. The new CentOS "Stream" sounds like it will be more like Debian Testing.
Debian Stable might be more analogous to CentOS, but they don't do major feature backports like RHEL does, so I find stable is often much too old by the time it's actually released.
There's always a backports repository for the stable release in Debian:
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main contrib non-free
deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main contrib non-freeRe: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#390This is why I immediately switched our long term plans to Ubuntu after the IBM acquisition was announced.