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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by toxic »

mattdm wrote: post #238
apecat wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder if the web hosting industry will rebel and build another RHEL clone project that just gets the 10-year supported patches. Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? A really big chunk of the world's traditionally shared hosted websites run on CentOS, because most commercial control panel packages and hosting automation systems are built for that. A rebadged CentOS is also AWS's default distro. Wonder of…

> Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? Whether or not Red Hat "has to", Red Hat is an all open source company and does and will.

Redhat is a fully-owned subsidiary of IBM.

IBM is open source friendly, but the days of RH being an "all open source company" ended in July 2019.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by macspoofing »

mattdm wrote: post #107
nrclark wrote: post #15

What will this mean for Fedora? Doesn’t Fedora already occupy the niche of “Redhat-unstable”?

Fedora doesn't like to be put in that particular niche anyway. Yes, Fedora is fast moving and it is what Red Hat uses as the base for major releases, but we're more than "Redhat-unstable" in so many ways. CentOS Stream will be the upstream for RHEL minor branch development. This is actually a huge thing that I think people are missing: previously, once branched from Fedora, RHEL development did not happen in the publ…

>This is huge and awesome good news.

So why the negativity at this "huge and awesome good news"?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by Macha »

em500 wrote: post #56
FeistySkink wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a free non-developer, i.e. home version of RHEL without any subscription/registration?

http://yum.oracle.com/oracle-linux-isos.html Disclaimer: not affiliated with Oracle in any way. This is just the closest thing to a plain RHEL8 clone I know of, other than CentOS8.

It may take a hard sell for people looking for something more open than RHEL after this to use anything from Oracle.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by liv-io »

Shared404 wrote: post #272
space_ghost wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FreeBSD is starting to look really good.

I agree. I've been seeing more and more about the BSD's online recently, and to be quite honest, I'm happy about that. Just installed OpenBSD for the first time the other day, and am loving it.

This might help you on your start:

https://github.com/liv-io/ansible-roles-bsd

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by cesarb »

mattdm wrote: post #97
charlesdaniels wrote: post #28

Having been a Debian/Ubuntu person for a long time, and being somewhat dissatisfied with that ecosystem, I recently started evaluating CentOS for my use cases instead. I want something with a non-rolling update model, so I don't have to deal with my environment changing out from under me. CentOS 8 had been mostly working well for me, barring a few missing packages that were easy to port over myself, and I was really…

I think there might be some confusion about "rolling" in the context of CentOS Stream. The updates are continuous and there's not released minor versions, but all changes are changes that are intended to _very shortly_ land in the next every-six-months minor release of RHEL. So you aren't going to suddenly see more "environment changing out from under me" than you would on RHEL or CentOS Linux.

Yeah, to me this whole thing sounds like a failure of communication.

Most people (including me) never looked closely at "CentOS Streams"; from what you said, it seems like it's "a preview of the next RHEL 8.x". The announcement today made it appear as if it were "a preview of RHEL 9.0", which is a much bigger change for those who (like me) expect to install a CentOS 8 box somewhere and keep it mostly untouched (just applying the updates) for ten years.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by znpy »

Oh, FUCK.

I liked them because I could have a rock solid environment at work and play with technologies with centos at home.

Fuck all that I guess. If this is the game then I'm not renewing my RHCSA certification and I'll be considering definitively switching to Ubuntu.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by apecat »

space_ghost wrote: post #155
em500 wrote: post #69

To me this news is at once shocking, and blindingly obvious in hindsight. Shocking, because I'd never imagined they'd kill off CentOS 8 so early. CentOS 8.0 dates from Sept 2019, so it's killed in just the 3rd year of its presumed 10 year lifespan. I could read the tea leaves when they announced this Stream thingy recently, but I'd thought they would at least hold off till RHEL9 to pull the lever. Blindingly obvious,…

FreeBSD is starting to look really good.

I would agree that BSD systems are nicer to look at, and FreeBSD supporting major releases for five years, with forcing people to install point releases once a year is really quite nice.

But I don't see BSD becoming practical as a platform to run (commercial enterprise) Linux software, when it's already a pain to get packages and support for anything that's not RHEL/CentOS.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by vbezhenar »

ilovetux wrote: post #236
jsiepkes wrote: post #2

Having a more "front runner" distro for RHEL (RedHat Enterprise) is great for RedHat. Since bugs will probably be caught in CentOS and don't end up in RHEL. This front runner role was actually intended for Fedora however Fedora contains way too much experimental changes for anyone to seriously try to run it on servers. I don't want to sound too "tin-foil headed" but I guess now that RedHat has hired the main CentOS d…

> People who use CentOS want a boring Linux distro like RHEL. They just don't want to pay for RHEL subscriptions. I use CentOS a lot for prototyping projects destined to be put on RHEL servers. I like it as a try-before-you-buy version of RHEL, and this change makes that use case a lot less useful.

I think that your use-case matches perfectly with RHEL free developer license.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by mastre_ »

symlinkk wrote: post #265
jcrites wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon Linux 2 could be a viable alternative. In addition to being available to run on AWS, it's also available as a container image and in various machine image formats: https://aws.amazon.com/amazon-linux-2/#Resources AL has had enough work put into it over the years that, while it may have been inspired by CentOS/RHEL originally, calling it a rebadged CentOS is not accurate these days. A full and competent team ma…

I’d like to use Amazon Linux but it doesn’t seem like they provide ISOs. Seems like it’s intended to be used largely on EC2.

Don't forget that AL also runs on Amazon's A1 ARM instances.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by Thaxll »

teilo wrote: post #20

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I read this, CentOS Stream will still serve as a stable clone of RHEL just as it always has. The rolling distro will be tagged at a certain point in time for a RHEL release, and you can still choose to use that state as your production base, and be locked at that tag. Presumably there will be a CentOS Stream 9 tag that you can use for production. The difference will be that CentOS…

Absolutly not, it's going to be the Fedora version of RHEL. Pretty clear:

"If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options."

Of course no one want to run CentOS Stream because it's going to be broken / unstable, completely the opposite of what CentOS is.

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