The end of the era of the most stable Linux distributive for servers. Why it happened. I love Centos so much, but for now I have to decide which distributive I'll use in my production and I don't want to use neither Oracle or Debian like. IBM made my life harder.
CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#262Very disappointing, since I based my OS decision on their support cycle, which has now been thrown out the window. Guess that I will be going back to Debian again And to top it off, today was the day when a CentOS 8 kernel update broke ZFS. Again.
> today was the day when a CentOS 8 kernel update broke ZFS
This issue? https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/11307
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm a little confused by this. Well, first, I'd encourage you to try Fedora Workstation for your family -- we've worked on making upgrades painless, so that they're basically an automated thing that happens while you go for coffee once or twice a year (at your option). But second, if a "Fedora LTS" would fit your needs, why not give CentOS Stream a look? It's not actually going to be that different from CentOS Linux,…
Thank you for the reply. While I personally never had a single issue with upgrading between Fedora releases, I also have the skills the resolve any potential ones if I would. I don't want to deal with somebody's computer suddenly being borked halfway across the world with no way to assist. So far CentOS fit that niche beautifully, with seldom major clean reinstalls (i.e. wipe root) when I'm there (7.x > 8.x). I'm goi…
(Disclaimer: I am capable of fixing upgrade issues myself.) I've not done a wipe-root reinstall of Fedora since 2013. I've in place upgraded every two versions or so - basically as soon as the version I'm using goes EOL.
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#264Q5: Does this mean that CentOS Stream is the RHEL BETA test platform now?
A: No. CentOS Stream will be getting fixes and features ahead of RHEL. Generally speaking, we expect CentOS Stream to have fewer bugs and more runtime features than RHEL until those packages make it into the RHEL release.
Q: is the sky blue? A: no. it's blue.
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#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wonder if the web hosting industry will rebel and build another RHEL clone project that just gets the 10-year supported patches. Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? A really big chunk of the world's traditionally shared hosted websites run on CentOS, because most commercial control panel packages and hosting automation systems are built for that. A rebadged CentOS is also AWS's default distro. Wonder of…
Amazon Linux 2 could be a viable alternative. In addition to being available to run on AWS, it's also available as a container image and in various machine image formats: https://aws.amazon.com/amazon-linux-2/#Resources AL has had enough work put into it over the years that, while it may have been inspired by CentOS/RHEL originally, calling it a rebadged CentOS is not accurate these days. A full and competent team ma…
I’d like to use Amazon Linux but it doesn’t seem like they provide ISOs. Seems like it’s intended to be used largely on EC2.
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#266This is awful. It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, which I think we all knew was coming. Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. Why on earth didn't they make this switch starting with CentOS 9???? Let's not sugar coat this. They've betrayed their users. I personally run a CentOS 7 server (as…
>> Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it.
The hypothetical you posed is the actual situation, I am now learning, I have apparently forced on my team. We've ramped up labor 3x revenue preparing product launch in 90 - 180 days. We created an image containing centos 8 , Java , postgres and tomcat a year ago and that what is deployed to beta clients and what we've been testing.
What's ironic is that I sort of went out on a limb with my team by forcing us to go with Linux over Windows and the way I allayed concerns was to ask them to just "wait and see" in hopes that the performance differential would make it a moot point.
edit: after a little thought it seems that moving to RHEL might cost us the least amount of money and downtime. Still sucks and not what we need to be working on right now.
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#267From their FAQ [0]: Q4: How will CVEs be handled in CentOS Stream? A: Security issues will be updated in CentOS Stream after they are solved in the current RHEL release. So a "front runner" for bugs but not security issues. [0]: https://centos.org/distro-faq/
It's essentially no different from how things currently are. RedHat releases updates, CentOS group picks those up and builds CentOS packages from them. They usually lag a day or two. They really lagged on the PLATYPUS CPU vulnerability for CentOS 7, because they were dealing with a backlog from the 7.9 bump. Took them several days to get the patches out.
How is "everything a little after" the same as "some things prior, other things after"?
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#268Having been a Debian/Ubuntu person for a long time, and being somewhat dissatisfied with that ecosystem, I recently started evaluating CentOS for my use cases instead. I want something with a non-rolling update model, so I don't have to deal with my environment changing out from under me. CentOS 8 had been mostly working well for me, barring a few missing packages that were easy to port over myself, and I was really…
I think there might be some confusion about "rolling" in the context of CentOS Stream. The updates are continuous and there's not released minor versions, but all changes are changes that are intended to _very shortly_ land in the next every-six-months minor release of RHEL. So you aren't going to suddenly see more "environment changing out from under me" than you would on RHEL or CentOS Linux.
Thank you for the answers in this thread.
I haven't tried CentOS Stream, but out of curiosity: if it's similar to the RHEL patch releases, how will major (like from RHEL 8 to 9) changes be handled?
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#269Q5: Does this mean that CentOS Stream is the RHEL BETA test platform now? A: No. CentOS Stream will be getting fixes and features ahead of RHEL. Generally speaking, we expect CentOS Stream to have fewer bugs and more runtime features than RHEL until those packages make it into the RHEL release. Q: is the sky blue? A: no. it's blue.
> CentOS Stream to have fewer bugs and more runtime features than RHEL
more bugs, surely....
Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream
#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's essentially no different from how things currently are. RedHat releases updates, CentOS group picks those up and builds CentOS packages from them. They usually lag a day or two. They really lagged on the PLATYPUS CPU vulnerability for CentOS 7, because they were dealing with a backlog from the 7.9 bump. Took them several days to get the patches out.
I guess the question will be how fast CentOS Stream releases fixes compared to Debian Stable/Testing and Ubuntu LTS.
It will almost certainly be slower than Ubuntu just because of the extra layer of work mentioned above.