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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by jmnicolas »

mrweasel wrote: post #52
derekp7 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe Scientific Linux can get revived.

Wasn't CentOS "adopted" by RedHat because no one else really wanted to do the work? A revived Scientific Linux could easy suffer the same fate. No one truly want to maintain a RedHat clone for little to no pay, while at the same time dealing request and complaints from companies who wants the benefits of RHEL, but no pay for the development and maintenance works done by RedHat. Realistically it's some bean counter at…

> why RedHat is giving away the very same thing they're trying to sell

Goodwill. I use CentOS and until now if I had a project were Linux support had been important I would have gone with Redhat. They can rot in hell now.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

mmcgrath1 wrote: post #228
jmnicolas wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes this hurts. My use case is specific: I'm a dev but since we're 2 in the IT service with barely any budget I'm also a (modest) sysadmin and they also call me when the printer or the TV doesn't work. So a few years ago when Debian decided to have faster release cycles I migrated all my VM to CentOS: once the OS is installed I don't want to think about it for the next 10 years. I still didn't finish my Windows 7 to…

Before giving up on us just yet, I'd encourage you to check out our developer program for proper RHEL that's free. And I'd stay tuned for announcements that are coming in the first half of 2021 (as mentioned in our FAQ). You might find we've got a program for you: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-centos-stream-updates#Q10

Are you saying we should (mis)use a program designed to give free RHEL for development/testing only, and use it in production as well?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by posix_me_less »

apecat wrote: post #191
apecat wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, GoDaddy, or heh, AWS are The Man. My best hope is that the major hosting vendors, or maybe some industry consortium might offer resources for this.

@syshum, yes, but it's not exacly RHEL, and it's not distributed outside AWS https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25347232 But the point is indeed that there are resources and infrastructure, so one might be hopeful that there will be a good outcome. One possible outcome would be increased demand and resources for Debian and/or Ubuntu and I definitely wouldn't mind that (five years of support isn't all that much in I…

Yeah, resources and infrastrucure are not some magic that only Redhat can provide. If sources will be released on https://git.centos.org/ or somewhere else, then it may work. Just like the old times [1]

[1] https://lwn.net/Articles/128952/

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by bayindirh »

apecat wrote: post #140
awill wrote: post #109

This is awful. It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, which I think we all knew was coming. Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. Why on earth didn't they make this switch starting with CentOS 9???? Let's not sugar coat this. They've betrayed their users. I personally run a CentOS 7 server (as…

Wonder if the web hosting industry will rebel and build another RHEL clone project that just gets the 10-year supported patches. Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? A really big chunk of the world's traditionally shared hosted websites run on CentOS, because most commercial control panel packages and hosting automation systems are built for that. A rebadged CentOS is also AWS's default distro. Wonder of…

There's a silent but relatively big user base of CentOS in HPC and scientific computing.

ScientificLinux and CentOS rules all HPC clusters. Clusters are like enterprise servers. Big, monolithic, rarely upgraded. They're upgraded in one big-fell swoop and left to run.

There'll be another clone of RHEL since HPC can't accept CentOS Stream as the alternative. The whole infra is too big to move to Debian too.

So with today's announcement, a new distro is born. Also Greg (CentOS' founder's) domain (HPCng) is very telling...

We'll see. We're in for a hell of a ride. If you excuse me, I need to dust-off my XCAT servers...

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by ilovetux »

jsiepkes wrote: post #2

Having a more "front runner" distro for RHEL (RedHat Enterprise) is great for RedHat. Since bugs will probably be caught in CentOS and don't end up in RHEL. This front runner role was actually intended for Fedora however Fedora contains way too much experimental changes for anyone to seriously try to run it on servers. I don't want to sound too "tin-foil headed" but I guess now that RedHat has hired the main CentOS d…

> People who use CentOS want a boring Linux distro like RHEL. They just don't want to pay for RHEL subscriptions.

I use CentOS a lot for prototyping projects destined to be put on RHEL servers. I like it as a try-before-you-buy version of RHEL, and this change makes that use case a lot less useful.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by enz »

ossusermivami wrote: post #226
vbezhenar wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? I think that's a gray area. For example RHEL has some support branches where they'll produce security updates for minor updates. For example you can pay a lot of money and you'll get RHEL 7.2 with security updates. They won't release sources for those packages unless you'll ask for those packages (you, as a paid client, not you as nobody in the Internet). But if you'…

I'll be uninstalling my fedora laptop if they do this!

Why?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by mattdm »

apecat wrote: post #140
awill wrote: post #109

This is awful. It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, which I think we all knew was coming. Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. Why on earth didn't they make this switch starting with CentOS 9???? Let's not sugar coat this. They've betrayed their users. I personally run a CentOS 7 server (as…

Wonder if the web hosting industry will rebel and build another RHEL clone project that just gets the 10-year supported patches. Red Hat still has to release the patches, right? A really big chunk of the world's traditionally shared hosted websites run on CentOS, because most commercial control panel packages and hosting automation systems are built for that. A rebadged CentOS is also AWS's default distro. Wonder of…

> Red Hat still has to release the patches, right?

Whether or not Red Hat "has to", Red Hat is an all open source company and does and will.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by Qerub »

awill wrote: post #109

This is awful. It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, which I think we all knew was coming. Imagine if you were running a business, and deployed CentOS 8 based on the 10 year lifespan promise. You're totally screwed now, and Red Hat knows it. Why on earth didn't they make this switch starting with CentOS 9???? Let's not sugar coat this. They've betrayed their users. I personally run a CentOS 7 server (as…

> It's proof of the downsides to the IBM acquisition, [...]

I think the movement to this outcome already started in January 2014 with this event:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/red-hat-incorporates-free-red-...

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by kbenson »

teilo wrote: post #20

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I read this, CentOS Stream will still serve as a stable clone of RHEL just as it always has. The rolling distro will be tagged at a certain point in time for a RHEL release, and you can still choose to use that state as your production base, and be locked at that tag. Presumably there will be a CentOS Stream 9 tag that you can use for production. The difference will be that CentOS…

From https://www.centos.org/centos-stream/

CentOS Stream

Continuously delivered distro that tracks just ahead of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) development, positioned as a midstream between Fedora Linux and RHEL. For anyone interested in participating and collaborating in the RHEL ecosystem, CentOS Stream is your reliable platform for innovation.

That doesn't seem to be what you think it is, at least in my eyes. I'm definitely not looking to run something positioned between Fedora and RHEL. There's already enough updates every month (including multiple kernel updates a month sometimes) that it's hard to keep the fleet updated. I definitely don't need stuff ahead of RHEL where I can assume I'm a bit of a guinea pig to test out the coming RHEL update.

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