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Is that per captia?
Chicago is less than 6x bigger than San Francisco or Oakland.
SF, yes (“only” 3x bigger), but Chicago is more than 6x the population of Oakland.
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If we want to start getting uppity about who is a Californian native, let's first consider the Muewkma Ohlone people who were decimated and whose lands were stolen by European settlers here in the Bay Area.
I think you meant Muwekma Ohlone. If we are trying to be precise it was the Spanish who stole their land. Not all Europeans are made equal.
I did, thank you!
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Well, this point specifically applies to options. Per FTB-1004 ( https://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/misc/1004.html ) you will be taxed whenever you exercise, whether you're a resident or a non-resident. Doesn't matter if you're out-of-state for a particular tax year. It is not really correct to cast this in terms of owing taxes on income in the state that you earned it because options are not income. There is a non-symmetr…
Ok but tech elite here aka VC investors aren’t getting options when they invest. So this tax question doesn’t apply to them. Rabois can move to Miami now and if he sells his IPO shares next year he owes California nothing.
Well, VCs do sometimes get options -- that's what convertible debt is. Usually options are not treated as compensation, though.
It is likely that Rabois has a mix of compensation from his firm, as a practical matter, and some of it is likely to be options -- but even if not, Rabois and people like him have paid a lot of taxes in California. A lot more than they would have paid in most states. When you consider how much they paid relative to how well the state government has provided services -- taking other states into consideration -- it's hard to see how the people moving are betraying anyone. They paid and paid and paid.
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Really? To me it reads that way about you. To put the point more simply, the left and socially liberal seem rather illogical these days. To me it seems like you’ve been proven wrong and are not willing to accept it.
How do you go from one obstinate commenter chanting "I'm not owned" to the whole left?
Paying attention to the world and news in general? This is a pretty common belief these days from everybody outside of that group.
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Pretty much anywhere other than SF can have fresher food. It’s a city, you can’t compete with farm fresh from down the road.
Uhm, there's some of the most diverse produce farmland in the country close to the bay. You get a much wider variety of farm-fresh bproduce there then in much of the rural south, for example (and yes I've lived in both).
Yet you’ll notice they’re not on the top of the list, therefore my statement stands:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/196114/top-10-us-states-...
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"Really isn't that bad" is your experience. The physical reality is that average January lows in NYC are 20 degrees lower than in SF.
> The physical reality is that average January lows in NYC are 20 degrees lower than in SF. The physical reality is that 20 degrees lower isn't that bad. Humans have thrived in colder climates for thousands of years. Being a human being in a modern day NYC/Chicago winter is a cakewalk, unless you are among the small subset of people who treat anything below 60F like its a death sentence.
Are you arguing that a majority of people prefer winter weather in NYC to winter weather in SF?
The initial claim up-thread was "SF has a phenomenal climate though in comparison."
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Wow. I didn't know the homeless were to blame for making the World much worse for others. Thanks for opening my eyes.
Take your virtue signaling elsewhere, Prophet Amos. That incident was evidence that the city does not care about the quality of life of its residents (both the non-homeless, who are expected to suck it up and grin, and the homeless, who probably haven't been given any psychiatric treatment or any sort of intervention whatsoever by the state); it was not about blaming poor people.
Wow.
Thanks so much for teaching me how to live.
I'm sorry that the city where you live is such a terrible place, I come from a poor country in Europe and homeless people here are treated freely by the State, because people taxes pay for public universal health care.
And every neighborhood in every city has their own local homeless that are part of the living tissue of the place, not a nuisance (or something to bring up when you talk with others about what's wrong in your city, we use holes in the road and waste management).
I understand that when you are a rich country, you can't afford to waste resources on it.
I also understand that it's easier to blame a middle aged man like me for "virtue signaling" (I don't even know what that means, sorry) than apologizing.
Homelessness as "a problem" is the symptom of a selfish society, more than a failure in city management.
Anyway "that incident" is an anecdote, it doesn't prove anything, nobody knows if it's the truth, it's simply blaming the poor, disguised as caring about the city.
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Exactly. This argument that cheaper workforce is out in the sticks, waiting for “remote work” is a lie corporate America has told to keep people in the office. The truth is, no matter where you are, talent knows what talent is worth. We price accordingly and in the end the market is stable at a certain price level. We’ve been seeing this over the last decade in major US cities competing for SF-level talent. Tech is o…
my fear is that an influx of zoom professionals to places in the desirable parts of 'flyover country' will cause us to repeat the mistakes of sf and seattle in hundreds of times over across the country. most people here were still barely hanging from the recession and now the combination of rapid expansion and quickly rising prices on top of shutdowns is not giving lifeblood to the people who need it, they're being p…
Yup, you’re right, we have an existential crisis brewing in rural America with remote work and the influx of residents driving cost of housing up when residents who were there already are still struggling from the recession of 2008.
I don’t have a comment or solution to this problem (is it even a problem?) otherwise I’d suggest something. I’m just observing like others, but I will admit to browsing Zillow for a farm if remote work has staying power. I think being able to provide some stimulus economically from this will help those smaller rural businesses. I don’t know. I’m not qualified in economics to predict the outcome, only some hope and some fear of possibilities.
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Lots of failed research parks, oil wells, railroads, gold mining operations. The thing with oil wells, railroads, and gold mining, is that geography/geology matters more than path dependence. Silicon Valley and Hollywood, and to a lesser extent NYC and London, are more about path dependence. Their dominance in their sectors seem more resulting from, if anything specific to point to, legal factors, than geography or a…
Hollywood is what Hollywood is largely due to its geography. Within a ~4 hour drive of Hollywood its possible to get to an area of california that looks at least passingly (for the purpose of movie making at least) similar to more or less anywhere in the world. This isn't the map i was looking for, but gives you the basic idea https://brilliantmaps.com/california-filming-map/ . The Geographic diversity around Hollywo…
Cool map. Ecological diversity is evident around LA:
http://www.californiaherps.com/images/vegetationmapjeaster.j...
But what were the first two movies made in Hollywood? Griffith's Western and DeMille's Western. If another genre had been preferred in the 1910s, seems like a movie hub could've landed elsewhere. (Or maybe Westerns were actually made more due to budgetary constraints than preferences.)
https://digg.com/2019/movie-genre-popularity-1910-to-2018-da...
Couldn't've be East Coast because Edison.
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/51722/thomas-edison-drov...
Re: Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley's supremacy
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Take your virtue signaling elsewhere, Prophet Amos. That incident was evidence that the city does not care about the quality of life of its residents (both the non-homeless, who are expected to suck it up and grin, and the homeless, who probably haven't been given any psychiatric treatment or any sort of intervention whatsoever by the state); it was not about blaming poor people.
Wow. Thanks so much for teaching me how to live. I'm sorry that the city where you live is such a terrible place, I come from a poor country in Europe and homeless people here are treated freely by the State, because people taxes pay for public universal health care. And every neighborhood in every city has their own local homeless that are part of the living tissue of the place, not a nuisance (or something to bring…
How many homeless people have you met in SF? I've talked 1:1 with about 3, and in all three cases the people refused ample help due to 1) not wanting to go to rehab or 2) paranoid schizophrenia, which the city won't deal with to avoid civil rights problems.
Boiling everything down to 'homelessness means society is selfish' is over simplifying an incredibly complicated problem. There are things that can be done, but it requires a lot more thought than holding hands and handing out free stuff. SF is probably the least selfish city on the planet, which is arguably part of the problem.