With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux • Hacker News Board

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Post by gen3 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

CivBase wrote: post #509

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Sounds like something that AppImage is perfectly suited for, given that each application is a one-click executable with automatic updating built-in and can optionally provide a predictable execution environment although it's not a container. In one particular case, I packaged up Mirrors Edge into an AppImage with the AppRun script taking care to setup the environment and WINE. It worked surprisingly well.

That's awesome! If anyone at Valve is reading, I think this would be an excellent feature for Proton or the Steam client.

They already have something like that. The steam runtime has been in development since at least 2013 now.

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Post by Darmody » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 4:46 PM UTC

google234123 wrote: post #427

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Not OP. I can't wait to see Google dump Stadia.

Curious why you care about this?

I don't like the concept of not owning anything anymore. I don't like paying subscriptions for everything to big companies.

It's detrimental to consumers.

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Post by 1-6 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 4:54 PM UTC

I can’t wait until we can play desktop games on ARM. Sony and Microsoft should seriously look into this, Apple could come out with their own console if they nail 3D.

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Post by tosh » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 5:06 PM UTC

1-6 wrote: post #523

I can’t wait until we can play desktop games on ARM. Sony and Microsoft should seriously look into this, Apple could come out with their own console if they nail 3D.

In a sense the iOS devices and Apple TVs paired with a controller (Xbox, Playstation 4) are already fairly close to an Apple video game console

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Post by jcelerier » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

toyg wrote: post #485

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I mean, it's just back to the state of windows where even most of Microsoft's apps aren't consistent with each other

Windows actually used to be decent and fairly consistent, but I agree that it's gone to shit in the last decade. They botched scaling to HiDpi and fragmented their UIs in the sad attempt to chase convergence with touch UIs.

did it ? except win 3.1 (but then I was a small kid) I remember a huge majority of apps having their own little fancy skins in 98, XP, etc

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Post by johnchristopher » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 5:12 PM UTC

vetinari wrote: post #513

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Good for you. But I re downloaded it and it still doesn't work: https://postimg.cc/TygMLfX8

That's interesting... On this end, it looks this way, when windowed: https://imgur.com/hlrBFc9 And it's not even Xorg session, it is under Wayland -- Wayland won't allow to set a display mode to apps, and for Xrandr it is faked using overlays with correct density.

I looked a bit and:

> I guess your videocard does not support Vulkan. Open game properties, Betas tab, switch to "legacy" version. Beware, it will download several gigabytes from internet. Legacy version has support of OpenGL unlinke modern one, which uses only Vulkan.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/257510/discussions/0/16409152...

But this option is behind a beta and I need a code to activate it (what ?).

edit: Digging a bit more https://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/6/17422272...

This did the trick:

    apt install libvulkan1 libvulkan1:i386 mesa-vulkan-drivers mesa-vulkan-drivers:i386

It now runs. I only did it because you lured me into it though :)p. My point still stands ^^.

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Post by Ericson2314 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 5:16 PM UTC

keraf wrote: post #456

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What resolution? I've been very annoyed it's unplayable for me at all but the lowest resolution, despite it being a 2D game and I having 32 gig ram.

3840x1440. I'm running it on an AMD 3900X, 32GB of RAM and a GTX 1070 on Ubuntu 20.04.

Shiiiit. I would to do 3840 x 2160, after getting used to that with HD edition.

So I finally got the NVidia Intel switchover thing working, but it didn't help at all. I have a GTX 950M which is quite a bit worse/older if https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-950M-vs-Nvi... is to be trusted. Maybe GPU matters more than I thought, and mine is just too old and crummy? But I thought I read it was still software rendered.

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Post by Google234 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 5:46 PM UTC

krageon wrote: post #470

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This won’t get passed anti cheats though.

It will if you configure it correctly.

Nah, there are many ways to detect virtualization

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Post by Google234 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 5:47 PM UTC

lillecarl wrote: post #452

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This won’t get passed anti cheats though.

I've heard of noone so far getting banned for playing in a VM. The anticheats can install their kernel modules as they want, and the lookingglass capture is using the direct X capture API, so nothing weird there. A SHMEM device is nothing out of the ordinary either. I mean sure they could detect that you're running in a VM, but I'm yet to hear about any cheats where you edit the memory of a VM, so until that's a thin…

You can do DMA from outside the VM into the VM. This is why most of the more serious anti cheats won’t allow it - vanguard, EAC, battleeye, EASA, ...

Re: With Proton and Steam Play, many Windows games now work on Linux

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Post by vetinari » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 5:54 PM UTC

johnchristopher wrote: post #526

vetinari wrote: post #513

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That's interesting... On this end, it looks this way, when windowed: https://imgur.com/hlrBFc9 And it's not even Xorg session, it is under Wayland -- Wayland won't allow to set a display mode to apps, and for Xrandr it is faked using overlays with correct density.

I looked a bit and: > I guess your videocard does not support Vulkan. Open game properties, Betas tab, switch to "legacy" version. Beware, it will download several gigabytes from internet. Legacy version has support of OpenGL unlinke modern one, which uses only Vulkan. https://steamcommunity.com/app/257510/discussions/0/16409152... But this option is behind a beta and I need a code to activate it (what ?). edit: Digg…

Sorry for vasting your time :P

I actually run Steam inside flatpak - I installed Steam from flathub, launched it, downloaded the games and almost (see below) everything worked. Flatpak runtime has all the necessary Mesa drivers (for AMD and Intel, not sure how Nvidia and flatpak works). The only thing I had to configure myself in the host system was udev rules for Dualshock gamepad. That one breaks the otherwise nice experience of everything working out of the box.

And wrt the Vulkan requirement: that's why I bought The Talos Principle originally. It was one of the first games with Vulkan renderer and I was curious, how well it works.