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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by charlesdaniels »

bovermyer wrote: post #35
charlesdaniels wrote: post #28

Having been a Debian/Ubuntu person for a long time, and being somewhat dissatisfied with that ecosystem, I recently started evaluating CentOS for my use cases instead. I want something with a non-rolling update model, so I don't have to deal with my environment changing out from under me. CentOS 8 had been mostly working well for me, barring a few missing packages that were easy to port over myself, and I was really…

I don't know what your use case is, but one of the flavors of BSD might be an option for you.

I am a big fan of OpenBSD, but unfortunately I still need some Linux only software. I do try out freeBSD’s Linux emulation layer every couple years, but it isn’t quite there yet for the stuff I need to run.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by nix23 »

cozzyd wrote: post #67

Thanks IBM. Now I'll have to revisit what OS to deploy at various remote experiments. I suppose this might be the kick needed to revive SL though. They also conveniently waited until right after EL6 EOL...

Oh true what happens with Cern now? Debian? FreeBSD ;)

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by Twirrim »

TavsiE9s wrote: post #48

From their FAQ [0]: Q4: How will CVEs be handled in CentOS Stream? A: Security issues will be updated in CentOS Stream after they are solved in the current RHEL release. So a "front runner" for bugs but not security issues. [0]: https://centos.org/distro-faq/

It's essentially no different from how things currently are. RedHat releases updates, CentOS group picks those up and builds CentOS packages from them. They usually lag a day or two.

They really lagged on the PLATYPUS CPU vulnerability for CentOS 7, because they were dealing with a backlog from the 7.9 bump. Took them several days to get the patches out.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by messe »

em500 wrote: post #30
messe wrote: post #11

> CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end of 2021 Does this mean that CentOS 8 is EOL come 2021? Weren't maintenance updates meant to go to 2029? What about everybody who built their product on the assumption that there would be a stable CentOS until then?

> Does this mean that CentOS 8 is EOL come 2021? They've just eradicated almost all mentions of CentOS 8 from their main website. So: yes. > What about everybody who built their product on the assumption that there would be a stable CentOS until then? They just got what they paid for?

> They just got what they paid for?

Haha, fair. To be honest, I'm surprised it took this long for it to happen after CentOS joined Red Hat. I wonder if the IBM acquisition had any influence on this.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by Twirrim »

jsiepkes wrote: post #2

Having a more "front runner" distro for RHEL (RedHat Enterprise) is great for RedHat. Since bugs will probably be caught in CentOS and don't end up in RHEL. This front runner role was actually intended for Fedora however Fedora contains way too much experimental changes for anyone to seriously try to run it on servers. I don't want to sound too "tin-foil headed" but I guess now that RedHat has hired the main CentOS d…

RHEL bought CentOS 6 years ago.

Note that the announcement blog post points folks to using RedHat instead.

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish succeeded?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by omniglottal »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #58
jsiepkes wrote: post #2

Having a more "front runner" distro for RHEL (RedHat Enterprise) is great for RedHat. Since bugs will probably be caught in CentOS and don't end up in RHEL. This front runner role was actually intended for Fedora however Fedora contains way too much experimental changes for anyone to seriously try to run it on servers. I don't want to sound too "tin-foil headed" but I guess now that RedHat has hired the main CentOS d…

> People who use CentOS want a boring Linux distro like RHEL. They just don't want to pay for RHEL subscriptions. How dare they want a free operating system?

How dare tens of thousands of developers produce a free operating system, and it gets sold by one business who added graphics of a trademarked hat?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by Veen »

> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options.

Not exactly unexpected, but disappointing: if you want to continue using something like CentOS, pay for RHEL. Lots of web hosting providers will be quite concerned.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by nix23 »

charlesdaniels wrote: post #71
bovermyer wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what your use case is, but one of the flavors of BSD might be an option for you.

I am a big fan of OpenBSD, but unfortunately I still need some Linux only software. I do try out freeBSD’s Linux emulation layer every couple years, but it isn’t quite there yet for the stuff I need to run.

OpenSuse Leap, with XFS or BTRF sounds right for you.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by Twirrim »

m3adow wrote: post #61
em500 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they just want a free (beer) RHEL clone, the best choice might turn out to be ... Oracle Linux. Who would have thought?

Isn't Amazon Linux basically the same? Or is that a fork of CentOS in the first place?

CentOS is how RedHat releases their sources in compliance with open source licenses (Presumably they're going back to releasing them as a consequence for this).

My familiarity with Amazon Linux is about 4 years out-of-date these days, but it was a RHEL/CentOS clone with a number of the core libraries like glibc being updated and maintained by Amazon on an independent life cycle.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by syshum »

Twirrim wrote: post #73
TavsiE9s wrote: post #48

From their FAQ [0]: Q4: How will CVEs be handled in CentOS Stream? A: Security issues will be updated in CentOS Stream after they are solved in the current RHEL release. So a "front runner" for bugs but not security issues. [0]: https://centos.org/distro-faq/

It's essentially no different from how things currently are. RedHat releases updates, CentOS group picks those up and builds CentOS packages from them. They usually lag a day or two. They really lagged on the PLATYPUS CPU vulnerability for CentOS 7, because they were dealing with a backlog from the 7.9 bump. Took them several days to get the patches out.

Which was expected since CentOS was a free (beer)rebuild of RHEL

CentOS Stream however is not a Free (beer) rebuild of RHEL anymore, it is an "upstream" for RHEL, so it would not be expected that this flow would work like described for an upstream product

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