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How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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I was about to scroll past this submission when I had a sudden attack of superstition that, if I don't read it, I will eventually find myself on a sinking ship in the middle of the ocean and curse myself for not reading the damn HN article.

There are some things you should study even though you will never need it. Getting out in a fire, first aid/CPR, earthquake procedures... You need to know these well just in case.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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The Atlantic'a piece about the sinking of the ferry Estonia contains some interesting pieces of information for anybody who might like to survive a sinking in the future. It might also put you off getting on ships. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/05/a-sea-s...

Good, but the numerous references to the ocean, 14 of them, indicate sloppy writing. Baltic is a relatively small, shallow and closed sea. It can be fierce, but ocean it is not.

Seas tend to be worse than oceans from what I can tell. In the deep ocean there is plenty of water, and little to hit. Thus even when things go wrong there is plenty of forgiveness for error. Shallow seas not so much, off course by a few meters can be fatal. Of course there are exceptions - as an expert in sailing not me for details.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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They haven't beaten Covid. Their current curve is quickly approaching the spring numbers, expected to hit the February peak next week. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/1...

Deaths per million in Korea is a factor of 80 lower than in the US. Even if they return to previous highs they are way outperforming the US.

Far lower rates of obesity, better health infrastructure, and a much, much higher willingness to wear masks and defer to the elderly (who are most at risk).

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I wish I'd see more of those actual feminists call out against the misandrists that usurp their name. It's not fair on them, but they need to if they want to stop the growing trend of equaling feminism with misandry. I'm just a random guy in the internet, living in a country where I don't see much of either, but because of the internet I thought for a long time that modern feminism was indeed hatred of men rather tha…

Do you think that could be a deliberate push to delegitimize calls for equality? Are large feminist organizations making those misandry statements or are random individuals and fringe organizations making those statements and their voice is being amplified and spread simply because it validates the idea in people’s minds that “this crazy person is what feminism is”. If 1% of women from, say, the US were misandrists,…

I think it is a minority who honestly think they are helpful that are delegitimizing the cause. Most women (and men) just want to get on with their lives. Thus they are not a member of any feminist groups, sometimes they notice things that are "not right", but nothing is important enough to get a large voice behind it.

Things can be fixed by protest. However the risk is people get tired of the shouting and ignore you. Most women don't see this as time to shout - don't take that as there are no problems, just that the problems need a different approach.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Too bad the author didn't discuss how to make a raft from deck chairs. Always bring 50' of para cord and a compliant knife. Perhaps a discussion of what sort of non-obvious cutting instrument would be good to bring. Nail clippers? A plastic knife with a ceramic edge? Like one of these: https://www.osograndeknives.com/catalog/fixed-blade-non-dete...

I'd hate to spend time making a raft from deck chairs that don't float.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Step 1 don’t be poor. (Most poor died by default.) Step 2 don’t be a man.

According to the resource linked to, third class women had a higher survival rate than first class men. Not that it would necessarily turn out that way now.

http://www.icyousee.org/titanic.html

according to this:

Survival rate first class men and women: 62% Survival rate women, steerage: 49%

So clearly, it was better to be rich than female.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Somewhat tongue in cheek, but still some good advice here: -- Know your surroundings, specifically where your exits are. The nearest exit may be behind you. -- Break the rules. Officials may try to deter you from using passages, ladders or stairwells. Ignore them. If you need to kick open a door or pick a lock, do it. -- Be where the well-connected people are, and look/act the part. Try to blend into the tribe, be a…

When Titanic aired on broadcast TV earlier this year, I was struck by the horror of the situation in a way I hadn't been when it first came out (my being 7-years-old at the time might have something to do with that, of course). I came to similar conclusions at the time: situational awareness (especially listening to what the people around you are saying and reading between the lines), willingness to break rules, will…

I've read in one of the 9/11 anniversary articles that majority of the people that survived from 2 WTC were the ones occupying offices with the windows facing 1 WTC where you could witness constant barrage of jumpers. Many of them mentioned that when they saw them something instinctively pushed them to get away from the place.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Somewhat tongue in cheek, but still some good advice here: -- Know your surroundings, specifically where your exits are. The nearest exit may be behind you. -- Break the rules. Officials may try to deter you from using passages, ladders or stairwells. Ignore them. If you need to kick open a door or pick a lock, do it. -- Be where the well-connected people are, and look/act the part. Try to blend into the tribe, be a…

>Break the rules. Officials may try to deter you from using passages, ladders or stairwells. Ignore them. If you need to kick open a door or pick a lock, do it. I learned this lesson on 9/11, as a high school student in lower Manhattan. We were told to sit in our homerooms and wait, while smoke (and god knows what else) enveloped the building. Eventually we were shuffled out of the building and told to keep going nor…

> The authorities don’t necessarily know any more than you do.

In your example, no, but in the plane example, you bet your sweet bippy they do. As you said, situational.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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According to the resource linked to, third class women had a higher survival rate than first class men. Not that it would necessarily turn out that way now.

http://www.icyousee.org/titanic.html according to this: Survival rate first class men and women: 62% Survival rate women, steerage: 49% So clearly, it was better to be rich than female.

I see third class women 49% survival, first class men (excluding servants and crew) 32%, in the source you link to?

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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According to the resource linked to, third class women had a higher survival rate than first class men. Not that it would necessarily turn out that way now.

> Not that it would necessarily turn out that way now. I doubt it would, and that is a good thing. The whole “women and children” thing was part of the whole “women are weak creatures that need to be looked after and protected like children” mentality.

I doubt that very many of the women passengers on board the Titanic were objecting to the chauvinism inherent in "women and children first". In time of life-or-death crisis, if you don't have a "women and children first" ethic, you will most likely have an "every man for himself" attitude, in which case you will end up with a very male-favorable survival rate, as bigger and yes physically stronger men shove women and children out of the way to get to the lifeboats.
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