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First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by spuz »

SlateBlate wrote: post #134
hannob wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a tendency to highlight risks and sideeffects of this vaccine that is without any basis. It's reasonable to ask what the risks are, but unspecific ramblings about risks aren't helpful and it's unreasonable to highlight very hypothetical risks compared to the very real risks of getting Covid-19. Right now the risk issue seems pretty clearcut: There were no serious sideeffects in the trials. What gave me additi…

> It's reasonable to ask what the risks are, but unspecific ramblings about risks aren't helpful and it's unreasonable to highlight very hypothetical risks compared to the very real risks of getting Covid-19. Where was this ramblings on OP's comment? He genuinly asked a question without mentioning any side effects. Why is it being downvoted?

It's being downvoted because the commenter made no effort to show what kind of research they had done in order to relieve their worry. If they genuinely were "really really concerned" about the potential side effects then they would have done some research on what those effects could be, what scientists had done to account for them etc. If they have done no research, that is lazy, hence worthy of a downvote. If they have done research but not specified so then it is deceptive and worthy of a downvote.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by physicsguy »

peteretep wrote: post #73
dTal wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this specific instance, you're probably right that there will be paperwork. However, in general, acute healthcare in free in the UK and does not even require ID. I don't know if that's how it's "meant" to be, but that's how it is; if you're on vacation in the UK and something bad happens, you can just turn up at the nearest hospital and it will get sorted out, no bill no fuss.

How it’s “meant” to be is that you’re asked for where you’re registered, and your NHS records are pulled up, and if you’re not registered at a GP practice or in the NHS system you get a bill

That's not the case. There's no such thing as a single NHS records system. There's 4 separate NHS systems for each constituent country of the UK. If you go to A&E they cannot generally see your GP records - if they can, it's usually limited so for e.g. if you live in the same local NHS trust as the hospital is in.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by bingbong70 »

SlateBlate wrote: post #59
mikepechadotcom wrote: post #32

I feel like mRNA vaccines have huge potential, but I am really, really concerned about potential side effects. Does anyone know which other helper-substances are inside the vaccine, besides the RNA?

Why is this comment getting downvoted? seems like a fair question. I've seen this now in several threads where even questioning side effects of the vaccine gets downvoted and looked down upon like they did something illegal. This is not HN I used to know.

I find it hilarious that the HN audience with "science-backgrounds" are rushing to inject "first generation tech" into their bodies. I remember many people stated they would wait until the 3rd generation of VR headsets before purchasing one.

I guess some knowledge & intuitions don't generalize.

Reminds me of a tech-savvy Youtuber that stated "I'm teaching myself to trust Tesla autopilot and ignore my need to fearfully jump to the wheel every time FSD moves me too close to objects on the road", "I'm getting better at it"... implying that 100s of thousands of years of evolutionary development/intuition/skepticism can be discarded when 1st gen tech enters the room.

*Note: I don't see my comment when logged out, shadowbanned perhaps...I'm starting to understand what "the right" has been talking about free speech-wise...will the tech overlords grant me permission to share my view...? Time to pray.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by LatteLazy »

mikepechadotcom wrote: post #32

I feel like mRNA vaccines have huge potential, but I am really, really concerned about potential side effects. Does anyone know which other helper-substances are inside the vaccine, besides the RNA?

Ingredients list:

>6. PHARMACEUTICAL PARTICULARS

>6.1 List of excipients

ALC-0315 = (4-hydroxybutyl) azanediyl)bis (hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate),

ALC-0159 = 2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide,

1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine,

cholesterol,

potassium chloride,

potassium dihydrogen phosphate,

sodium chloride,

disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate,

sucrose,

water for injections

Source is the pdf from this UK Gov page:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approv...

I have no idea at all about vaccines, healthcare or bio chem so please correct me but. ..

The first 2 are the RNA right?

Sodium and potassium chloride are standard in table salt and saline drips right?

Sucrose and cholesterol occur naturally in humans I think (sucrose comes from breaking down fructose?).

Potassium dihydrogen phosphate is harder. No real idea what that is, but apparently they put it in gatorade?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopotassium_phosphate

Disodium hydrogen phosphate dihydrate is (I think) also used in food (condensed milk) and water softeners!

Anyone know what 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine is? Or

I'm sort of impressed it doesn't have 1001 complex chemicals.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by mcky »

aphextron wrote: post #3

A 90 year old woman in a nursing home is not spreading COVID. Wouldn't it make more sense to give this to people who are most at risk of spreading it, not dying from it? Why wouldn't we go at the root cause of the pandemic; young healthy asymptomatic spreaders?

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a small political motivation here too - the gov were heavily criticized for their terrible handling of covid in care homes, with an older voter base they might want to be seen to be doing right by the care homes this time around

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by monkeynotes »

chimprich wrote: post #68
SlateBlate wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this comment getting downvoted? seems like a fair question. I've seen this now in several threads where even questioning side effects of the vaccine gets downvoted and looked down upon like they did something illegal. This is not HN I used to know.

There isn't any evidence for serious side-effects from mRNA vaccines. The vaccines have undergone significant testing, and they're not doing anything magical. If you're going to insinuate that the vaccines have significant risks, you should provide some evidence. (This bar should also be a bit higher in my opinion in the middle of a public health emergency.) Compare a statement like "5g has great potential, but I'm r…

What crazy logic is this? You are saying one needs to have evidence of risk in order to ask if there is any evidence of risk.

What is wrong with people when simply asking about negative impacts of a rushed vaccine is considered a worthless distraction.

I thought the audience of hacker news users would also be curious, inquisitive folk.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by astura »

checker659 wrote: post #75
dbbk wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's not even any plans to offer vaccines privately in the UK yet. The NHS isn't going to offer it to travellers.

Not NHS, but what’s stopping private companies from purchasing from pfizer at 10x markup and selling to willing customers?

The production so far has been funded through government contracts.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

timrichard wrote: post #149
vixen99 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/370/6520/1022.ful... 'Public needs to prep for vaccine side effects, “Take Tylenol and suck it up,” says one researcher. Fever, aches show vaccine works'.

Seeing this post reminded me that when I had the 'flu vaccine a little while back, the Pharmacist advised avoiding Paracetamol (Tylenol?) afterwards in case it reduced the efficacy of the vaccine. A bit of quick Googling turned up study results from a while back suggesting this in relation to childhood vaccines. Just wondering if anyone here with experience in the field has a opinion on whether painkillers like these…

Honestly Tylenol is a really fucky one, I've had it once when I was in the US and it got me off my tits. I mean pardon my french but that stuff is something else. And in a lot of cases gratuitous; at best it takes the edge off, for me personally, some paracetamol has the same effect without the side effects of an inability to drive or operate heavy machinery.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by interfixus »

daveed wrote: post #52

> Second in line for the jab at University Hospital in Coventry was 81-year-old William Shakespeare from Warwickshire His high priority must've been on purpose, right?

Ah, Warwickshire, the undiscovered country from whose bourn some travellers do apparently return.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by howlgarnish »

refurb wrote: post #119
checker659 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not NHS, but what’s stopping private companies from purchasing from pfizer at 10x markup and selling to willing customers?

I don't think private parties will have any access to vaccine for a while. Can you imagine the shit storm if some wealth person got vaccinated ahead of the doctors treating dying Covid patients. Ain't gonna happen.

I've already heard stories about people in both China and Russia using bribes/connections to get themselves or relatives into vaccine trials. In particular, the Chinese military has been vaccinating its own since June.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-vaccine-approved-milita...

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