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Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

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Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

#91
For now, I sort of trust Apple enough on privacy and security, PRISM disclosures and their being a huge corporation.

What will get me to buy a product like Librem or Pinephone in the future would be as a universal device, that is a dock that would make it my only digital device - and feel secure against hacks, etc.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

#92
I have a question, does Google's Android licenses allow Android apps to be used on non-android operating systems?

I know that some Google provided APIs will be missing, but still, we could soon have alternatives, like OpenStreet for maps.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

#93

I own a Pinephone with the latest revision board which was bought in the July 31st batch this year (and got shipped in September/November within the EU). I have to say that hardware-wise, the Pinephone got very _very_ far already. It's an amazing hacker's device, especially with the USB-C host. The only issue that persists is software. Phosh is pretty much useless because not a single app will work as a real mobile a…

If I were you, I'd try to get in contact with the libhandy developer and try to get a conversation started, e.g. on the GNOME discourse instance.

I think many in the community are interested in this, but have been waiting for hardware to show up.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

#94
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given that no one currently is and that the average salary in the US appears to be about double the average in China - that seems about right? An experienced factory worker (5-7+ years) with professional training, certifications, and clean track record costs at least 15k CNY a month in salary, and 6-10k more in pension/insurance/other social payments. Factory workers in US get how much now? > An early career Factor…

Where are those numbers coming from? A line manager working near a top city might get that... that's about the same as an engineer with a couple years experience makes. A high level engineer might expect 30k per month. Foxconn pays about 12k per month for non-technical managers with 3-5 years experience. If you are a technician who assembles parts you are probably getting a salary between 3500 - 8000 RMB per month (+…

US ones from there: https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Factory_Worker/Hour...

Chinese, from my own knowledge of contract manufacturing. While saying this, I mean that it is not necessarily that all of workers are hired at such seniority level, and, yes, most of them will be seniormost workers on their line.

Foxconn, Flextronics, Pegatron — those companies are completely out of this league, they focus on the bottom line only, and do not work in markets where professional staff on the line matters.

One of our own manufacturing contractors who specialises on things including automotive assemblies for Germans (they did some of the new S-Klasse electronics,) and medical devices has such workers, and they do go through all the problem retaining them.

Out of other high end contract manufacturers, GoerTek had particularly good prices, and quality level despite them being somewhat volume oriented, but shame, they dropped all non-audio business as of late. Same was for LuxShare, after they got Apple's business, it became impossible to get through to them.

Some companies with own manufacturing also been known for well paid line workforce, BuBuGao, and Huawei instantly come to mind.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

#95
I really like alternatives, but imo AOSP is really secure and private OS. What I need is a AOSP smartphone with frequently OTA updates (like in Pixel's phone), working out of box.

I wouldn't compromise my security by choosing one of this smartphones.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

#96

    I *did not* / will *not* test:

    Phone calls & SMS / MMS functionality 

    I haven’t bothered plugging them into a display. 

    Email (...) I’ve been too lazy to try setting this up 
      
    Cameras 

    GPS / location
Anyone who expected an article like "I actually tested those phones in real life and will tell if they are actually suitable as phones", don't expect.

(Article is not empty, does mentions how these machines behave on the GUI side, data-only SIM, web browsing, music, charging.)

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

#97

I really like alternatives, but imo AOSP is really secure and private OS. What I need is a AOSP smartphone with frequently OTA updates (like in Pixel's phone), working out of box. I wouldn't compromise my security by choosing one of this smartphones.

Technically, nothing prevents you from installing AOSP on these smartphones. Even better, you can have lifetime updates and verifiable drivers. In practice, GloDroid exists on Pinephone [0], but it's far from usable.

[0] https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=10613

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

#98
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I'm all for more variety of hardware and more control over software. That said, what makes these a better option, for anyone, than buying an android phone with an unlockable bootloader and loading a Google-less version of Android on it?

Just speaking for myself, as somebody who has preordered a Librem 5, but may not be representative at all of the wider community around it: I want a pocketable Linux device I can take with me everywhere. That's it. I don't care how well it works as a phone. I want a fully-featured, honest-to-god GNU/Linux terminal in my pocket that I can use to do anything that I could do on a (massively underpowered) Linux laptop, e…

You might be interested in things like the Pandora/Pyra, the Cosmo Communicator or the GPD Win.

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s as easy as loading the distro onto an SD card, and then booting the phone. You don’t even have to flash anything to the internal eMMC in order to run it! FWIW while the Librem 5 can't run the bootloader straight from the SD card, the kernel can use the rootfs from SD card just fine - I have multiple distros installed on SD card there this way. The Librem 5 also supports booting via fastboot (uuu), which person…

This is good info, I didn't know this! Shame though, because among all the Pine devices I have (Pinebook Pro, Pinephone) I've gotten very used to booting from the SD card to swap things out. Have you written / do you have any links to documentation for how to use fastboot?

For info on Jumpdrive and many other things, see the FAQ: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...

Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone

#100

I really like alternatives, but imo AOSP is really secure and private OS. What I need is a AOSP smartphone with frequently OTA updates (like in Pixel's phone), working out of box. I wouldn't compromise my security by choosing one of this smartphones.

Frankly, good luck with that. I attempted for a few months to do that for my Pixel 3a (which in theory is officially supported). When I followed the official guide to compile android, I found that a LOT of things did not work that I expected it to, including: VoLTE, SMS over LTE, and wifi-calling. The phone was useless on LTE, I had to force it onto 3G for any phone functionality. I also had a weird issue where a new SIM would refuse to work in it, I had to activate a new SIM in a Google Stock android, then it would work in AOSP.

I had to manually search through the Google image to find what libraries existed, manually extract them, add them to my AOSP build, THEN compile. I was only able to do this because others had done much of the grunt work already (i.e. GrapheneOS), but when it was "upgraded" to Android 10, it all changed and all my work went out the window. Now I just use GrapheneOS and accept the comprimises I have to deal with.

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