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How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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I would have drowned trying to assemble the tuxedo without internet. It's probably white tie, so that's assuming I don't accidentally smother myself with the bib or get my tails caught in something.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

#154
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Should have been titled "How to escape the Titanic using your seer git to know everything that's going to happen down to the minute (in which case you probably wouldn't have boarded the ship at all)". But interesting anyway.

And yet your odds are still pretty bad!

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

#155

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I remember being in Anson, when it was reported a Korean Ferry going to Jeju hit a rock and started taking on water. The captain reported on the radio," everyone stay put." and for the most part they did, even while the captain was escaping the ship. 299 people drowned that day, many of them the local school in Anson. I remember walking past the highschool that very night and seeing the crowd of the bereaved. If more…

> In everyday life, I definitely notice that people do not take say, fire alarm seriously and act quickly enough. Don't be a deer caught in the spotlight, forge your own path and take these things seriously your life may depend on it (even if its 1% chance that that alarm is a real one). Problem with things like fire alarms is they go off _so_ often, yet are almost never a true alarm. In my experience, it's not even…

I think people have become sensitized only in a good way: they don't panic. Instead they think another drill, better get out in a clam orderly manor and counted. It helps that there are enough fires every decade that you hear of one just often enough that you think "better safe than sorry".

That is my observation anyway.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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According to the resource linked to, third class women had a higher survival rate than first class men. Not that it would necessarily turn out that way now.

> Not that it would necessarily turn out that way now. I doubt it would, and that is a good thing. The whole “women and children” thing was part of the whole “women are weak creatures that need to be looked after and protected like children” mentality.

I thought it was more of a "protect the future" sentiment. It's probably shades of both.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

#157
I was curious how realistic the advice to dress in your finest would be, so...

In the US, at least, union wages would have brought in $20-30 or so per week. [1] Looking through [2], you could get a whole gentleman's outfit for roughly $50 or so. Even still, you'd be spending 2-3 weeks' wages on a single set of clothing - not to mention that you'd need somewhere to store all that, and you'd probably also need additional stuff to maintain it so that it looked half-presentable for your daring escape.

It's much more likely that, as someone in steerage, even your "finest" wouldn't have passed muster for the keenly class-conscious Brits on the upper decks. The fabrics and cuts would be different, you'd be missing fashionable accessories and key pieces of the outfit, nothing would be tailored, and everything would be in worse wear. (Not to mention your lower-class accent and diction would likely give you away, unless you'd somehow had the benefit of a pricey elocution tutor.)

[1] https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/title/union-scale-wages-hours-... [2] https://vintagedancer.com/1900s/edwardian-1910s-historical-m...

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Without knowing how representative the 18 shipwrecks they picked are, it’s hard to know whether their conclusions are widely applicable. Also, from their research paper, some of the ships they mentioned had been torpedoed or ran aground, SIX collisions, etc. A first guess would be that men sometimes survive more than women and children simply because they were more physically able to overcome the dangerous environmen…

> If a group of average men and average women are thrown into the ocean and left to their own devices, after a few hours more men will be left just because of physical strength. Is that true? I believe women survive longer in cold water, because on average they have a higher body fat proportion.

I didn’t know so I looked it up. Looks like more body fat compared to body size is the key, regardless of gender.

> [1] No significant gender differences in total metabolic heat production normalized for body mass or surface area were found among subjects who completed 90 min of immersion (9 women and 7 men). Nor was there a gender difference in the overall percent contribution ( approximately 60%) of fat oxidation to total heat production.…On the basis of the above findings, we accept the first hypothesis that women and men exhibit similar changes in body cooling and M˙ during cold water immersion at rest when subject responses are corrected for BF and size.

[1] https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/jappl.2000....

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Actual feminists don't want to be given preferential treatment. They just want a level playing field.

I wish I'd see more of those actual feminists call out against the misandrists that usurp their name. It's not fair on them, but they need to if they want to stop the growing trend of equaling feminism with misandry. I'm just a random guy in the internet, living in a country where I don't see much of either, but because of the internet I thought for a long time that modern feminism was indeed hatred of men rather tha…

Do you think that could be a deliberate push to delegitimize calls for equality? Are large feminist organizations making those misandry statements or are random individuals and fringe organizations making those statements and their voice is being amplified and spread simply because it validates the idea in people’s minds that “this crazy person is what feminism is”. If 1% of women from, say, the US were misandrists, and 1% of those women when on the internet and said crazy things, that is enough for you to have dozens of fresh examples every single day. Much like the “if it bleeds it leads” journalism of the 90s, where people perceived that violence was skyrocketing, while it was in fact falling dramatically, this could be a case of an agenda, or even just a desire for more clicks, skewing your perception.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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I was in the Ritz-Carlson in DTLA last year for Anime expo. Waiting on the third floor for a convention with atleast 200 people just in that one smaller area, all of the sudden, a live voice came over the intercom with instructions to immediately evacuate the building, all but essential staff. In my mind it seemed as serious as if there was an active shooter somewhere. I was literally the only person in the group to…

Don't know about you but in my country they test and test those system relentlessly so you get "boy who cried wolf" situation. Not sure how to avoid that.

In my country they do the drills every year, the day - but not the time is announced in advanced. Everyone knows that they will be checking that everyone gets out, so we all leave and gather in our assigned locations and enjoy a paid break outside. They schedule these for good weather so getting outside is a nice break. This way people take it seriously, but don't panic. We know from experience that someone will be outside with a checklist to make sure we all leave.

There are scientific practices behind the above. I suggest you get your country on board with those so that people take the alarm seriously.

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