Rebekah Jones' house raided at gunpoint • Hacker News Board

Re: Rebekah Jones' house raided at gunpoint

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Post by pietrovismara » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 12:23 PM UTC

yholio wrote: post #10

greatpatton wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes American cops don't miss an opportunity to amaze the world... (and make people believe that USA is the less secure place in the world to behave like this).

American gun culture has little to do with this case. Cops behave like this because behind door number one there could be a guy with an assault rifle ready to take them down. In 99% of the cases there isn't, but if you do 100 of these raids without taking risks, it becomes more likely than not that your own children will become orphans. It's hypocritical to attack the cops that (literally) fight to stay alive without…

You just said american gun culture has little to do with this and then you contradict yourself the next sentence.

In Europe the risk of having someone greet you with an assault rifle is non-existent, because people just can't buy them.

It's also weird that you speak as if being a cop is the most dangerous job when it's not even in the first 10 most dangerous jobs[0].

I never see people that worry about cops lives worry about logging workers' safety, yet they risk much more than a cop.

- [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-i...

Re: Rebekah Jones' house raided at gunpoint

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Post by purple-again » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 12:23 PM UTC

aboringusername wrote: post #14

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #8

Context: "The Florida department of law enforcement confirmed they had entered Jones’s house on a search warrant. But in a statement the department said the action was related to a recent computer hack of the health department website, in which emergency response coordinators were sent an unauthorised message." ... "[Jones] told CNN she had come to the conclusion that the raid had been motivated by a desire to root o…

> On my phone is every communication I have ever had with someone who works with the state Why? This information should be stored, encrypted, and be almost impossible to decrypt. You need a dead mans switch (which is tried and tested) to destroy any and all data. In fact, you could have a system where if you don't visit a URL within a few hours, it destroys a part of the method to access the decryption mechanism (or…

I don't know much about the details of how things like this go down but it also seems like maybe admitting that wasn't such a great idea for that poor person...Can that admission alone be enough for a judge to compel she unlock the phone for law enforcement?

Re: Rebekah Jones' house raided at gunpoint

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Post by klunger » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 12:23 PM UTC

aboringusername wrote: post #14

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #8

Context: "The Florida department of law enforcement confirmed they had entered Jones’s house on a search warrant. But in a statement the department said the action was related to a recent computer hack of the health department website, in which emergency response coordinators were sent an unauthorised message." ... "[Jones] told CNN she had come to the conclusion that the raid had been motivated by a desire to root o…

> On my phone is every communication I have ever had with someone who works with the state Why? This information should be stored, encrypted, and be almost impossible to decrypt. You need a dead mans switch (which is tried and tested) to destroy any and all data. In fact, you could have a system where if you don't visit a URL within a few hours, it destroys a part of the method to access the decryption mechanism (or…

She's a data scientist, not a security expert. Holding her to this standard is unfair and very much blaming the victim.

Re: Rebekah Jones' house raided at gunpoint

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Post by FeepingCreature » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 12:25 PM UTC

aboringusername wrote: post #14

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #8

Context: "The Florida department of law enforcement confirmed they had entered Jones’s house on a search warrant. But in a statement the department said the action was related to a recent computer hack of the health department website, in which emergency response coordinators were sent an unauthorised message." ... "[Jones] told CNN she had come to the conclusion that the raid had been motivated by a desire to root o…

> On my phone is every communication I have ever had with someone who works with the state Why? This information should be stored, encrypted, and be almost impossible to decrypt. You need a dead mans switch (which is tried and tested) to destroy any and all data. In fact, you could have a system where if you don't visit a URL within a few hours, it destroys a part of the method to access the decryption mechanism (or…

This is solid advice.

She shouldn't have to do that. Regardless, it would have been a good thing if she did.

Re: Rebekah Jones' house raided at gunpoint

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Post by andyjohnson0 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 12:26 PM UTC

aboringusername wrote: post #14

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #8

Context: "The Florida department of law enforcement confirmed they had entered Jones’s house on a search warrant. But in a statement the department said the action was related to a recent computer hack of the health department website, in which emergency response coordinators were sent an unauthorised message." ... "[Jones] told CNN she had come to the conclusion that the raid had been motivated by a desire to root o…

> On my phone is every communication I have ever had with someone who works with the state Why? This information should be stored, encrypted, and be almost impossible to decrypt. You need a dead mans switch (which is tried and tested) to destroy any and all data. In fact, you could have a system where if you don't visit a URL within a few hours, it destroys a part of the method to access the decryption mechanism (or…

She's quoted in the article as saying "I’m not that tech savvy". The degree of operations security you're describing presumably needs extensive training and familiarity. She's a scientist not a spy.

Re: Rebekah Jones' house raided at gunpoint

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Post by XorNot » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 12:27 PM UTC

yholio wrote: post #10

greatpatton wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes American cops don't miss an opportunity to amaze the world... (and make people believe that USA is the less secure place in the world to behave like this).

American gun culture has little to do with this case. Cops behave like this because behind door number one there could be a guy with an assault rifle ready to take them down. In 99% of the cases there isn't, but if you do 100 of these raids without taking risks, it becomes more likely than not that your own children will become orphans. It's hypocritical to attack the cops that (literally) fight to stay alive without…

List of professions more dangerous then being a police officer in 2018 [1]: supervisor of mechanics or repairers, construction, agricultural work, grounds maintenance, electrical line-workers, landscaping supervisors, construction supervisors, steel workers, agricultural managers, sales workers, truck drivers, garbage man, roofers, aircraft pilot, fisherman, logging.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-23/how-da...

And straight BS on the whole "going into dangerous situations" thing - plenty of professions get required to do that (paramedics, firemen) and manage to be both unarmed and not shoot people all the time.

Re: Rebekah Jones' house raided at gunpoint

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Post by LockAndLol » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 12:27 PM UTC

agotterer wrote: post #12

I don’t understand the political motivation here. Let’s say theres actually something to hide. This very public action is certain to have the opposite affect and bring even more attention to Rebekah and her data (Streisand effect).

People don't care. It's one scandal amongst many and people stop keeping track, so they just keep on voting for the same people.

Even if there were a website that kept track of all a politician's misdeeds, the majority wouldn't use it or know about it.

Re: Rebekah Jones' house raided at gunpoint

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Post by eloisius » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 12:27 PM UTC

agotterer wrote: post #12

I don’t understand the political motivation here. Let’s say theres actually something to hide. This very public action is certain to have the opposite affect and bring even more attention to Rebekah and her data (Streisand effect).

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by blind stupid malice.

Re: Rebekah Jones' house raided at gunpoint

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Post by XorNot » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 12:29 PM UTC

GordonS wrote: post #16

yholio wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American gun culture has little to do with this case. Cops behave like this because behind door number one there could be a guy with an assault rifle ready to take them down. In 99% of the cases there isn't, but if you do 100 of these raids without taking risks, it becomes more likely than not that your own children will become orphans. It's hypocritical to attack the cops that (literally) fight to stay alive without…

I'm wondering if this is meant to be satire, but I'll assume not. The cops were sent to the house of a middle-aged scientist who was reporting on COVID data. The idea that you need to charge in with guns is far beyond ludicrous.

The best part is how, if we accept literally all the unjustified precepts of why they went in guns drawn, you then can look at the reasoning and question why, if it's that dangerous, did they go to the house at all?

What, this was so time-sensitive that we couldn't pick her up with a traffic stop when she was out of the house?

At every conceivable junction, the police create dangerous situations and then use the danger to justify escalating them to violence.

Re: Rebekah Jones' house raided at gunpoint

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Post by tiktokdoc » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 12:31 PM UTC

aboringusername wrote: post #14

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #8

Context: "The Florida department of law enforcement confirmed they had entered Jones’s house on a search warrant. But in a statement the department said the action was related to a recent computer hack of the health department website, in which emergency response coordinators were sent an unauthorised message." ... "[Jones] told CNN she had come to the conclusion that the raid had been motivated by a desire to root o…

> On my phone is every communication I have ever had with someone who works with the state Why? This information should be stored, encrypted, and be almost impossible to decrypt. You need a dead mans switch (which is tried and tested) to destroy any and all data. In fact, you could have a system where if you don't visit a URL within a few hours, it destroys a part of the method to access the decryption mechanism (or…

American freedom under the 1st & 4th amendments require "deadman switches" and "ditch protection", the false advertising about the US was really effective...