It’s not obvious for me why wouldn’t they install better cameras. For me camera system is one of the most important parts of a smartphone specification. Don’t those makers realize that there are people for whom those things are important?
Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone
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Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone
#52It’s not obvious for me why wouldn’t they install better cameras. For me camera system is one of the most important parts of a smartphone specification. Don’t those makers realize that there are people for whom those things are important?
I understand that the camera can be an important feature of a smartphone for some people, but I for one, don't care about it at all above a certain "eh, good enough" threshold, that is currently easily met by any smartphone.
If I want to take good pictures, I use an actual camera, with a proper lens.
All this to say: you can't always serve everyone.
Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone
#53> Both phones can run fairly hot. I think given how I hold the phone (closer to the base of the phone) I tend to notice the Librem 5 more often than I notice the Pinephone getting hotter. This is mostly because the frame / chassis for the Librem 5 is metal, and conducts the heat around the sides of the phone. So you’ll notice it getting hot after you’ve used your phone for a good bit. Power management is complex thes…
This is the major reason I deferred my Evergreen Librem 5 order for the Fir batch (set to ship in ~1 year), which will (a) have a smaller process size (14nm vs 28nm currently) and (b) allow for more time for optimizations.
Fir batch will probably have its own disadvantages: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque....
Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone
#54I'm all for more variety of hardware and more control over software. That said, what makes these a better option, for anyone, than buying an android phone with an unlockable bootloader and loading a Google-less version of Android on it?
Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone
#55It’s not obvious for me why wouldn’t they install better cameras. For me camera system is one of the most important parts of a smartphone specification. Don’t those makers realize that there are people for whom those things are important?
I understand that the camera can be an important feature of a smartphone for some people, but I for one, don't care about it at all above a certain "eh, good enough" threshold, that is currently easily met by any smartphone. If I want to take good pictures, I use an actual camera, with a proper lens. All this to say: you can't always serve everyone.
Isn't the whole goal to serve as close to everyone as possible? Or is the idea that these will always be niche phones sold at flagship prices but without flagship features? I get that universal appeal is an impossible objective, even for popular brands, but surely a part of the grand scheme of all this is to prove that these sorts of phones can have mainstream appeal if given the time and support needed to develop into competitive products.
Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone
#56I'm impressed with the rate of progress in the Linux distros for smartphones due to these devices, especially the Pinephone as it's more accessible. But I honestly expected few major phone manufacturers to join these development effort in some manner after seeing the fate of Huawei with Android or specifically Google Play Services/OHA(Open Handset Alliance), I'm surprised it didn't happen yet or perhaps it's because…
Huawei now is pushing their mikro-kernel based OS, nothing to do with Linux, Harmony OS.
Ironically it used to be a research project demoed a few times at FOSDEN and US gave them a reason to bring it into production.
Tizen is also being used in Samsung's smart TVs.
LG has WebOS and Sharp Aquos.
And then there is ChromeOS as well.
Basically, GNU/Linux desktop has proven to not be something that general public even considers when it comes with strings attached about FOSS politics and little UI/UX that those people actually care about, without the apps all their friends use.
Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone
#57> For the vast majority of people, the Librem 5 and Pinephone are probably not worth even considering. The GNU userspace and associated “mobile” paradigms within it are very much not ready for daily use. > Linux phones are definitely not yet ready to be daily drivers Despite the author making this point twice and some of the negativity regarding Purism's pricing - I still feel very good about the state of Linux phone…
The PinePhone is _so close_. Some suggestions, as a user, to get it over the edge: 1. Every app in the Manjaro distribution that ships pre-installed should at least fit on the screen; many apps have popups that do not. 2. Dialing should never cause a reboot; calling voicemail has crashed the phone for me. 3. Either give up on having a camera or make it _fast_. 4. Some kind of loading indicator for apps would be nice.…
> Every app in the Manjaro distribution that ships pre-installed should at least fit on the screen; many apps have popups that do not.
Sounds like an issue you should bring up with the application authors. These are usually easy fixes.
> Either give up on having a camera or make it _fast_.
We've already seen demos of the camera running at 60fps. Why would you want people to "give up" on a perfectly achievable goal?
Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trump just fought China with tariffs. That is not the answer and I don't think is one of the "obvious solutions" referenced. Let me put it this way... Should we allow a factory in Indiana to avoid environmental regulation if they just pay a 30% tariff? Is it ok to have a 5% mortality rate at a factory in Alabama if they pay a 60% tariff? Should U.S. companies be allowed to just pay fees to become exempt from FDA/EPA/…
> Should we allow a factory in Indiana to avoid environmental regulation if they just pay a 30% tariff? There are problems that tariffs are a solution to, like currency manipulation. Lack of environmental rules is not really one of those problems. > The answer is to ban them just like we should ban U.S.-made products that don't follow the rules. The real problem is that there are two problems, which currently sort of…
> If you imposed the existing rules on China, things would become unreasonably expensive.
For a time, yes. But the large market reachable by meeting those requirements would lead to innovation in trying to meet those requirements. (Or in trying to cheat those requirements, which would require some care to enforce.)
They can also be enforced via a ratchet upwards, so that there's time to adapt.
Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone
#59Discussion on the Purism forum: https://forums.puri.sm/t/pinephone-vs-librem-5/9092/81.
Re: Librem 5 Evergreen vs. Pinephone
#60It’s not obvious for me why wouldn’t they install better cameras. For me camera system is one of the most important parts of a smartphone specification. Don’t those makers realize that there are people for whom those things are important?
I understand that the camera can be an important feature of a smartphone for some people, but I for one, don't care about it at all above a certain "eh, good enough" threshold, that is currently easily met by any smartphone. If I want to take good pictures, I use an actual camera, with a proper lens. All this to say: you can't always serve everyone.
> I understand that the camera can be an important feature of a smartphone for some people, but I for one, don't care about it at all above a certain "eh, good enough" threshold, that is currently easily met by any smartphone.
Judging by many, many reviews of smartphones, most people do deeply care about the quality and features of their phone's camera, and it's very likely to be the only camera many people have.