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Travis CI is no longer providing CI minutes for open source projects

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Re: Travis CI is no longer providing CI minutes for open source projects

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Post by szundi »

neves wrote: post #58
rpdillon wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My previous company was on Travis, and as soon as I saw that Travis was purchased by private equity, I knew the downward spiral had begun and I recommended we move to something else. Not surprised that this is happening a couple of years later...my understanding is that private equity will tend towards slowing/stopping development after acquisition to cut costs/headcount, and then squeeze the remaining value from wha…

Are there any evidence of private equity providing benefits for society? Sometimes it looks like they have a inverse Midas hand, everything they touch putrefy.

Like all the apps you are using now ;) haha, whoops.

Re: Travis CI is no longer providing CI minutes for open source projects

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Post by alexeldeib »

p1necone wrote: post #88

If anyone's looking for something to use for personal projects I currently use wercker and it's really easy to use (specify docker box, run commands) and has a free tier (but it's owned by Oracle so I still worry in the back of my head that they'll fuck it up any day now). There's also Github Actions and Bitbucket Pipelines which I think are very similar in style, and also have free tiers. There's also the "Raspberry…

Have you seen https://www.docker.com/blog/scaling-docker-to-serve-millions... and https://www.docker.com/blog/what-you-need-to-know-about-upco... ?

And yes, paid accounts are exempt. But the costs are catching up.

Re: Travis CI is no longer providing CI minutes for open source projects

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Post by josteink »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #93

This may be a bit sudden. But instead of heaping scorn on them, I just feel grateful for the millions they must have invested in OSS. It's unlikely they are out to hurt anybody. I'd guess the vast majority of people there, now and in the past, would love to be able to continue doing so. So, if anyone can come up with the name for whoever bought them, a sale that was probably done with little alternatives already, the…

> But instead of heaping scorn on them, I just feel grateful for the millions they must have invested in OSS.

Agreed. They've done good stuff for OSS up until now, and they deserve credit for that. No need to feel bitter or entitled over something we've received 100% for free.

But despite that, Travis-CI is not serving my (or other's) OSS needs right now, and people are obviously looking for alternatives.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Re: Travis CI is no longer providing CI minutes for open source projects

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Post by comprev »

Uehreka wrote: post #35
jrochkind1 wrote: post #8

Only a few weeks ago they wrote a letter ( https://blog.travis-ci.com/oss-announcement ) that said "Open source accounts, as always, will be completely free under travis-ci.com." Their home page at travis-ci.com still says: > Testing your open source projects is always 100% free! > Seriously. Always. We like to think of it as our way of giving back to a community that gives us so much as well. That is simply not what…

I wonder how many people start out making pledges like that because they wish other companies would and they want to be the change they wish to see in the world. And they don’t realize that taking investor money means you no longer have the power to keep your promises even if you want to because you’re promising with other people’s money.

Google - "Don't Be Evil"

I think many would agree that moto has been broken several times over the years.

Re: Travis CI is no longer providing CI minutes for open source projects

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Post by adamretter »

empyrical wrote: post #48

Travis CI was, to my knowledge, the only CI provider that let you test projects on IBM Power and Z. [1] Are there any alternatives? [1] https://blog.travis-ci.com/2019-11-12-multi-cpu-architecture...

If it's open source you can approach Open Source Lab at OSU for CI on Z Series.

Re: Travis CI is no longer providing CI minutes for open source projects

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Post by aargh_aargh »

wegs wrote: post #51
Uehreka wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how many people start out making pledges like that because they wish other companies would and they want to be the change they wish to see in the world. And they don’t realize that taking investor money means you no longer have the power to keep your promises even if you want to because you’re promising with other people’s money.

Part of the reason to make promises is that they are legally enforceable: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/promissory_estoppel.asp When I started an organization which was taken over in a rather hostile way, I was very careful to make a bunch of legally-binding promises before the takeover happened, to help prevent it from becoming too evil.

IANAL, but I don't think that would be applicable in this case:

> Another requirement further qualifies the required detriment component; the promisee must have suffered an actual substantial detriment in the form of an economic loss that results from the promisor failing to deliver on his or her promise. Finally, promissory estoppel is usually only granted if a court determines that enforcing the promise is essentially the only means by which injustice to the promisee can be rectified.

The open source project would not suffer an economic loss by not using Travis. They would be free to stop using Travis or go to another competitor providing a free plan.

Exceptions to the above I can think of:

* Travis didn't charge them, then started charging them despite the promise

* they suffer an unrelated economic loss because they stop using CI

* they're forced to hire someone to convert them to another CI system (economic loss in form of wages, money to operate their own CI), though the loss would have t obe substantial (is that relative? e.g. in case of a low budget, is even a small sum substantial?)

Re: Travis CI is no longer providing CI minutes for open source projects

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Post by tome »

If CI builds were defined in a programming language that provided clear semantics, abstraction and modularity then porting to a new build host would be 10x easier.

It would be an "annoying" or "fiddly" level of work rather than a time sink costing hours and hours.

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