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How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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The Atlantic'a piece about the sinking of the ferry Estonia contains some interesting pieces of information for anybody who might like to survive a sinking in the future. It might also put you off getting on ships. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/05/a-sea-s...

Wow. Incredible story and far better than the WIRED clickbait drivel that this HN post links to. Thanks for sharing this.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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"Break the rules. Officials may try to deter you from using passages, ladders or stairwells. Ignore them. If you need to kick open a door or pick a lock, do it." I would say that in general, when a ship is in danger of sinking, hatches are closed and dogged off for a reason, usually to control flooding, so this is a really bad advice. On the other hand, when a hatch is secured, you usually can't open it from one side…

I remember being in Anson, when it was reported a Korean Ferry going to Jeju hit a rock and started taking on water. The captain reported on the radio," everyone stay put." and for the most part they did, even while the captain was escaping the ship. 299 people drowned that day, many of them the local school in Anson. I remember walking past the highschool that very night and seeing the crowd of the bereaved. If more…

> In everyday life, I definitely notice that people do not take say, fire alarm seriously and act quickly enough.

Sounds like the normalcy bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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For some wierd reason I was thinking it would be about escaping a company that was in disarray!

Step 1: don’t burn bridges. Even in Silicon Valley, you are likely work with these people again. Step 2: make sure you have contact info for the best and brightest and they have yours Step 3: contact any recent people who left. They may be hiring at their new gig Step 4: make sure you have submitted all your reimbursable expenses Step 5: if the company starts to list, get to the high side, fast. (Couldn’t resist :)

Step somewhere: get all your dental work done, a new pair of glasses and as much prescription meds as you can.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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"Break the rules. Officials may try to deter you from using passages, ladders or stairwells. Ignore them. If you need to kick open a door or pick a lock, do it." I would say that in general, when a ship is in danger of sinking, hatches are closed and dogged off for a reason, usually to control flooding, so this is a really bad advice. On the other hand, when a hatch is secured, you usually can't open it from one side…

I remember being in Anson, when it was reported a Korean Ferry going to Jeju hit a rock and started taking on water. The captain reported on the radio," everyone stay put." and for the most part they did, even while the captain was escaping the ship. 299 people drowned that day, many of them the local school in Anson. I remember walking past the highschool that very night and seeing the crowd of the bereaved. If more…

> In everyday life, I definitely notice that people do not take say, fire alarm seriously and act quickly enough. Don't be a deer caught in the spotlight, forge your own path and take these things seriously your life may depend on it (even if its 1% chance that that alarm is a real one).

Problem with things like fire alarms is they go off _so_ often, yet are almost never a true alarm.

In my experience, it's not even 1%. I've heard fire alarms tested monthly or quarterly for years. My own smoke detector at home used to go off regularly. I've heard literally hundred of "THE BUILDING IS ON FIRE EVACUATE OH SHIT" alarms, and never once seen even a small fire.

Well, that's a lie, I lit a reasonably-sized oil fire on my stove top one day (left some good scorch marks on the ceiling and stuff). No alarm went off.

Hell, one time the small apartment building I lived in had the building-wide alarm go off which did convince everyone to vacate--probably because it had never gone off before. I ran a roll-call out on the front lawn and accounted for every unit and had every single person reporting that there was no fire in their unit. The only common areas were the hallways people'd just exited through. The fire department cleared it in about two minutes and told us we could re-enter with the alarms blaring.

I'd be surprised to find someone that, through school fire drills, random smoke detectors, testing and malfunctioning of building alarms, etc have not been totally desensitized to these alerts.

If you get an alert every day from your intrusion detection system saying "SOMEONE'S IN YOUR NETWORK STEALING YOUR FILES!" and never once find that to be the case, eventually you're going to start ignoring the alerts.

That said, yes -- if I smell smoke/see fire, if I'm on a boat and water is coming up around my ankles, I'm not gonna just sit there and die because someone says it's okay.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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The Atlantic'a piece about the sinking of the ferry Estonia contains some interesting pieces of information for anybody who might like to survive a sinking in the future. It might also put you off getting on ships. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/05/a-sea-s...

Good, but the numerous references to the ocean, 14 of them, indicate sloppy writing. Baltic is a relatively small, shallow and closed sea. It can be fierce, but ocean it is not.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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The Atlantic'a piece about the sinking of the ferry Estonia contains some interesting pieces of information for anybody who might like to survive a sinking in the future. It might also put you off getting on ships. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/05/a-sea-s...

https://onse.fi/estonia/ here's the text of the final report of the accident. It's a thoroughly written document, recommended reading for anyone interested in the details.

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I remember being in Anson, when it was reported a Korean Ferry going to Jeju hit a rock and started taking on water. The captain reported on the radio," everyone stay put." and for the most part they did, even while the captain was escaping the ship. 299 people drowned that day, many of them the local school in Anson. I remember walking past the highschool that very night and seeing the crowd of the bereaved. If more…

> In everyday life, I definitely notice that people do not take say, fire alarm seriously and act quickly enough. Don't be a deer caught in the spotlight, forge your own path and take these things seriously your life may depend on it (even if its 1% chance that that alarm is a real one). Problem with things like fire alarms is they go off _so_ often, yet are almost never a true alarm. In my experience, it's not even…

Is there a better alternative?

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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I was in the Ritz-Carlson in DTLA last year for Anime expo. Waiting on the third floor for a convention with atleast 200 people just in that one smaller area, all of the sudden, a live voice came over the intercom with instructions to immediately evacuate the building, all but essential staff. In my mind it seemed as serious as if there was an active shooter somewhere. I was literally the only person in the group to…

Don't know about you but in my country they test and test those system relentlessly so you get "boy who cried wolf" situation. Not sure how to avoid that.

That's when you append "this is not a drill".

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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The Atlantic'a piece about the sinking of the ferry Estonia contains some interesting pieces of information for anybody who might like to survive a sinking in the future. It might also put you off getting on ships. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/05/a-sea-s...

Good, but the numerous references to the ocean, 14 of them, indicate sloppy writing. Baltic is a relatively small, shallow and closed sea. It can be fierce, but ocean it is not.

That's misguided pedantry, I think. Most seas are a subset of the ocean, and the Baltic is an arm of the Atlantic.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Ooooh yes, the female privilege that feminists never talk about.

Yes, in that one specific shipwreck, you were better off being female. Almost every other shipwreck went the other way[1]. [1] https://www.history.com/news/women-and-children-first-on-sin...

Without knowing how representative the 18 shipwrecks they picked are, it’s hard to know whether their conclusions are widely applicable.

Also, from their research paper, some of the ships they mentioned had been torpedoed or ran aground, SIX collisions, etc. A first guess would be that men sometimes survive more than women and children simply because they were more physically able to overcome the dangerous environment. If a group of average men and average women are thrown into the ocean and left to their own devices, after a few hours more men will be left just because of physical strength. Nothing to do with sexism.

Also, it seems like the authors are going out of their way to say that chivalry actually doesn’t happen much, that men didn’t want to help women, etc, so that makes me think they have an agenda and I’m less likely to believe their conclusions that are counter to my intuition and experience.

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