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Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing.

We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed by a brand new car company was ridiculous to most people. This guy just said it matter of factly and everyone just kinda said OK dude. Then it happened. Then he said that there was going to be a rocket that lands itself, run privately. Then he says that they are going to build a human settlement on mars. Then worldwide high speed satellite internet. Now you can actually get it in some places. Now, they're going to high altitude test this giant rocket that will be able to carry 100 people tomorrow morning.

100 people. That's insane. Everything this guy says he's going to do is insane, the timelines are insane, but now everyone is kind of like "yeah, sounds about right" as if the world has always been like this. In 20 years this guy and all the engineers he hired have done absolutely incredible things that we take for granted. Tomorrow they're going to perform a high altitude test of a rocket designed to take 100 people to mars. I just read a user manual for an interplanetary spacecraft with the capacity of a small commercial airliner. I'm glad to be alive in this age.

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> has progressed all of humanity more than anyone else alive today IMO Tim Berners-Lee is alive, for a simple but not maximal example of someone I think could reasonably be said to have advanced humanity more than Musk.

It's not like people had no idea about sharing stuff on the network before him, though. Tim Berners-Lee made the first web browser, but it was evolution of previous ideas and the third small step of a revolution, not a gamechanger by itself.

It's not like Elon Musk either stands solely on his own shoulders either, or has any real engineering role in the company.

Tim Berners-Lee not only actually did it but also helped guide it through standardization and other things like that.

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Squeezing 100 people into this thing for a multi-month journey continues to give me pause. It has smaller internal volume than the ISS, which has never had more than 9 people, and it was considered uncomfortably crowded when that happened.

100 people was for the ITS, an earlier concept with a 12 meter diameter. The 9 meter Starship would presumably hold fewer people.

The PDF document we are discussing says 100 people in it.

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

#94

Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…

100 people was for the 12m diameter ITS version - Starship is 9m diameter and the internal volume is more like ISS sized. Still amazeballs though!

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost is likely to fall in the 1%-3% range of that of a C-17. The War Department could buy 100-200 of them for the cost of 2 C-17 Globemaster IIIs. I would be interested to see if some form of portable, quickly constructed landing pad could be deployed, much like the mats used as runways during WWII.

Cost per what? Per flight?

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Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

#96

Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…

Here are a few more past SpaceX user guides:

Falcon 1 Launch Vehicle Payload User's Guide (Revision 7, May 2008):

https://web.archive.org/web/20110617025305/http://www.spacex...

Falcon 9 User's Guide (August 2020):

https://www.spacex.com/media/Falcon_Users_Guide_082020.pdf

Starship User's Guide Revision 1.0 (March 2020):

https://web.archive.org/web/20200404100917/https://www.space...

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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post #94

Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…

100 people was for the 12m diameter ITS version - Starship is 9m diameter and the internal volume is more like ISS sized. Still amazeballs though!

The just released "user guide" says 100 people.

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost is likely to fall in the 1%-3% range of that of a C-17. The War Department could buy 100-200 of them for the cost of 2 C-17 Globemaster IIIs. I would be interested to see if some form of portable, quickly constructed landing pad could be deployed, much like the mats used as runways during WWII.

Cost per what? Per flight?

To go 1/2 way around the world, at 590 mph is 21+ hours.

Cost per hour, according to https://nation.time.com/2013/04/02/costly-flight-hours/ is $23.811

So, the one way cost to get a C-17 full of cargo anywhere in the world is about $500,000

1 Million round trip.

I had the cost wrong, I thought it was per vehicle, it's per launch... $2,000,000. If it could fly back, it's only $4,000,000 per round trip.... just 4 times the cost of a C-17 delivery and return.

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

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"The cargo version can also be used for rapid point-to-point Earth transport." Why no one is talking about this. This will be game changer if can be done with bigger payload. There are models created earlier that using rocket technology/mechanism, LA-HK can be reached in 2 hours. This can have huge impact on avionics esp with trade.

If it's not cheaper than overseas shipping or cargo aircraft, it won't work. It's basic economics.

Man, people have been citing "basic economics" at musk for over a decade. You can't break into the US automotive industry with an independent startup, you can't cut launch costs by an order of magnitude, there's no market for a global constellation of LEO networking satellites, you can't double the number of sattelites in orbit in 5 years, the list goes on.

I don't bet against Elon Musk anymore.

If you've ever paid more for quicker shipping, there's a market for this.

Re: SpaceX Starship Users' Guide [pdf]

#100

Man, Elon Musk is awesome. Just putting the fact that I just downloaded a user manual for a multi planetary spacecraft in PDF format into historical context, if you think about how thus all came together it really is amazing. We went from "this guy is nuts" to "oh yeah this is probably going to happen." When Tesla first came into public view, the idea that a car entirely electric powered that drives itself developed…

But he still hasn't been able to build a subway system in LA.
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