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Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Post by Waterluvian » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 2:11 AM UTC

monsieurbanana wrote: post #38

Waterluvian wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actual feminists don't want to be given preferential treatment. They just want a level playing field.

I wish I'd see more of those actual feminists call out against the misandrists that usurp their name. It's not fair on them, but they need to if they want to stop the growing trend of equaling feminism with misandry. I'm just a random guy in the internet, living in a country where I don't see much of either, but because of the internet I thought for a long time that modern feminism was indeed hatred of men rather tha…

It's the internet. You're going to hear from the loudest.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Post by monsieurbanana » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 2:14 AM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #41

monsieurbanana wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I'd see more of those actual feminists call out against the misandrists that usurp their name. It's not fair on them, but they need to if they want to stop the growing trend of equaling feminism with misandry. I'm just a random guy in the internet, living in a country where I don't see much of either, but because of the internet I thought for a long time that modern feminism was indeed hatred of men rather tha…

It's the internet. You're going to hear from the loudest.

That is pretty much what I said.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 2:22 AM UTC

monsieurbanana wrote: post #42

Waterluvian wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the internet. You're going to hear from the loudest.

That is pretty much what I said.

So you're asking one group of people to shout over other people, to make you feel better?

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Post by unnouinceput » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 2:28 AM UTC

This reads like a walkthrough for a game. Should be made into one, perhaps having Easter eggs with Leonardo (punching him would be so satisfactory) while you escape to safety.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Post by tomc1985 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 2:32 AM UTC

JimTheMan wrote: post #36

paleotrope wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Break the rules. Officials may try to deter you from using passages, ladders or stairwells. Ignore them. If you need to kick open a door or pick a lock, do it." I would say that in general, when a ship is in danger of sinking, hatches are closed and dogged off for a reason, usually to control flooding, so this is a really bad advice. On the other hand, when a hatch is secured, you usually can't open it from one side…

I remember being in Anson, when it was reported a Korean Ferry going to Jeju hit a rock and started taking on water. The captain reported on the radio," everyone stay put." and for the most part they did, even while the captain was escaping the ship. 299 people drowned that day, many of them the local school in Anson. I remember walking past the highschool that very night and seeing the crowd of the bereaved. If more…

I saw cellphone videos taken inside the ship when this happened. The kids were highspirited and jovial for the circumstances. It was really creepy to watch

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Post by gfxgirl » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 2:33 AM UTC

Schweigi wrote: post #21

secabeen wrote: post #13

Somewhat tongue in cheek, but still some good advice here: -- Know your surroundings, specifically where your exits are. The nearest exit may be behind you. -- Break the rules. Officials may try to deter you from using passages, ladders or stairwells. Ignore them. If you need to kick open a door or pick a lock, do it. -- Be where the well-connected people are, and look/act the part. Try to blend into the tribe, be a…

There is a good book [1], which dives into why some people survive while others don't. One of the main takeaways is to break the rules if required. The other takeaway is to follow your instinct (like a child would). [1]: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VVMN5J2

Follow your instinct like a child would? Every child I know would just freeze and cry for mom.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Post by monsieurbanana » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 2:34 AM UTC

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #43

monsieurbanana wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is pretty much what I said.

So you're asking one group of people to shout over other people, to make you feel better?

Not to make me feel better, but because I'd like to see actual feminism flourish.

I don't see why you're so angry with me either.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Post by Waterluvian » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 2:44 AM UTC

monsieurbanana wrote: post #47

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're asking one group of people to shout over other people, to make you feel better?

Not to make me feel better, but because I'd like to see actual feminism flourish. I don't see why you're so angry with me either.

I think it speaks volumes that you perceive that comment as being angry with you.

But I think this has also gone way off tangent and I regret interacting.

It's a complex issue that has existed for countless generations. We won't get far tonight.

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Post by dredmorbius » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 2:47 AM UTC

sbierwagen wrote: post #30

dredmorbius wrote: post #16

For a more generalisable solution: - Pick a ship with robust safety measures, procedures, and equipment, sailing in favourable conditions, if at all possible. - Rehearse evacuation. Drilling and mentally noting escape routes and pitfalls makes successful performance during an actual emergency the more likely. - Maintain situational awareness. Things can go pear-shaped remarkably quickly. Numerours modern shipping dis…

Obnoxious nitpick: everyone on El Faro died. Crew had plenty of warning they were sailing into a hurricane, but the captain did it anyway. For me the main takeaway from that sinking was "don't be on a cargo ship that sails directly into a hurricane". NTSB report: https://dms.ntsb.gov/public/58000-58499/58116/598645.pdf William Langewiesche piece: (Also wrote the Estonia piece upthread) https://www.vanityfair.com/news…

My point was more that when the end came to the El Faro, it most likely came quite suddenly. There were numerous opportunities to avoid disaster.

Several other factors also appied.

The stories of ships vanishing without a trace, likely due to rogue waves, are quite chilling.

MS München (1978) comes to mind, though it seems likely to have survived initial damage for up to 33 hours:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_München

The Edmund Fitzgerald seems likely to have gone under in minutes if not seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Edmund_Fitzgerald#Hypothese...

Re: How to Escape a Sinking Ship

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Post by vmh1928 » Tue, Dec 08, 2020, 2:48 AM UTC

secabeen wrote: post #13

Somewhat tongue in cheek, but still some good advice here: -- Know your surroundings, specifically where your exits are. The nearest exit may be behind you. -- Break the rules. Officials may try to deter you from using passages, ladders or stairwells. Ignore them. If you need to kick open a door or pick a lock, do it. -- Be where the well-connected people are, and look/act the part. Try to blend into the tribe, be a…

Like when people in the WTC were told to stay put.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/16/september11.us...