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Re: AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits

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I've been having similar issues matching this as well (SF south bay), with ATT Uverse (fiber to neighborhood, 100mbit to home). I really wish we'd just have municipal ISPs here. I'm only a few miles from Google HQ, but the internet options are crap.

I find it amusing that all these multi hundred thousand dollar per year income people working at the forefront of consumer tech don’t have access to a quality symmetric fiber internet connection.

Re: AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits

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What layer of the stack do we think this is happening at? I seem to recall that GPON has forward error correction, so the same bit flipping in every packet seems unlikely to be caused there. But, I suppose that core routers are complicated enough these days to cause problems like this (custom ASICs doing all the bit moving), and if it affects every customer without common pieces of network equipment in between, it sure sounds like a software problem. More programs, more problems!

Re: AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ISPs have tried, but they get pushback from local residents whenever they try to install the necessary network boxes at intervals down the street. They had to go out of their way to hide cellular towers as streetlamps to get the 5G rollout to happen; I remember getting two or three notices for this (each from different telcos, so the one street corner has three streetlamps and two traffic lights on one corner). I…

Solution: Paint the boxes grey.

Naw man, woodgrain stickers.

Re: AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits

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It's ironic that for the most part Silicon Valley only has terrible ISP infrastructure. Cellular service isn't all that great either.

The ISPs have tried, but they get pushback from local residents whenever they try to install the necessary network boxes at intervals down the street. They had to go out of their way to hide cellular towers as streetlamps to get the 5G rollout to happen; I remember getting two or three notices for this (each from different telcos, so the one street corner has three streetlamps and two traffic lights on one corner). I…

PROTIP: The boxes are an excuse. Building infrastructure would make more people want to move there, and claiming the boxes are ugly is something you can’t disagree with.

Re: AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits

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We are AT&T in SF Bay Area, and our service has been flaking out for weeks. Inability to get DNS, machine claims invalid security certificates, download/upload drop below 1 MbS. All we could get is our modem reset.

I'm on Sonic.net fiber and they're a reseller of AT&T and I've experienced this exact scenario.

Re: AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits

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It's ironic that for the most part Silicon Valley only has terrible ISP infrastructure. Cellular service isn't all that great either.

Palo Alto has its own municipal fiber program: https://www.cityofpaloalto.org/gov/depts/utl/business/progra...

Wonder if someone should take them up on it.

Re: AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ISPs have tried, but they get pushback from local residents whenever they try to install the necessary network boxes at intervals down the street. They had to go out of their way to hide cellular towers as streetlamps to get the 5G rollout to happen; I remember getting two or three notices for this (each from different telcos, so the one street corner has three streetlamps and two traffic lights on one corner). I…

Solution: Paint the boxes grey.

Other options:

1) Sprout the streetlamp from the box, add a car charging port.

2) Hire an artist to paint the box with artwork (property owner gets to pick from option set). Consider it to be city owned art installations.

Re: AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits

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It’s certainly a relief to have an apparent explanation for the weirdness I’ve been experiencing! I thought it was my home router or WiFi or something, but then I experienced the same problems at my partner’s house, so I thought maybe it’s just a problem with some websites I frequent or some common internet infrastructure. But we both have AT&T internet, so this must be it!

For me, the problem has mostly manifested as web pages failing to load or appearing to be loading forever. Generally when I refresh the page would load quickly as expected.

Re: AT&T Fiber in the SF Bay Area is flipping bits

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post #16

It's ironic that for the most part Silicon Valley only has terrible ISP infrastructure. Cellular service isn't all that great either.

The ISPs have tried, but they get pushback from local residents whenever they try to install the necessary network boxes at intervals down the street. They had to go out of their way to hide cellular towers as streetlamps to get the 5G rollout to happen; I remember getting two or three notices for this (each from different telcos, so the one street corner has three streetlamps and two traffic lights on one corner). I…

The parts of SV that haven't buried their power lines (not too pretty to begin with) have gotten significantly uglier since all of the new cable/fiber/DSL infrastructure has gone in. There are in many cases multiple of these things on loads of poles:

https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31593060-Equip-What-is-thi...

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