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Great news! Very quickly done, which kind-of makes me suspicious... One thing I did already observe is that I was able to send a message to a closed Gitter room via my Matrix account, although I couldn't see other people's messages.
Thanks for the heads-up! Working on a fix so you can't query a private room and send in Matrix events. We already block from Gitter -> Matrix side.
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So...could I write a gateway that provides functionality for threads to be pulled in from HN/Reddit/NNTP/SMTP/Twitter (MSC2836)? Think Epiverse [1] within Matrix and its clients. [1] https://epiverse.co/
Yup. Can't wait for someone to implement a Matrix-powered Disqus clone!
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I like threads a lot in the way we use it. With 60+ people in one channel, being able to ask a question and get answers in the thread, while not spamming the channel with replies and potentially interweaving multiple question & answer "threads" is really useful.
Threads in Slack are useful but the implementation is pretty bad. For example you don't see new responses in a visible thread until you click the button for more messages. It makes them really frustrating to use. Slack does a lot of things really well which makes the pain of using threads even worse.
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You can't use your Gitter creds to log into Matrix yet (although we're hoping to support Gitlab/Github/Twitter login for Matrix before Christmas). Instead, just sign up for a Matrix account via Element or another Matrix client, and then you can look at the Gitter server's room directory at Gitter.im and join its rooms from there. Because Matrix is one great big open network, you can pick any server for your account;…
That'll be a nice Hanukkah/early Christmas gift, depending on when it lands :) Will there ever be a way to show on gitter that a gitter account and a matrix account are the same person? I'm pretty active on gitter right now, and I'd like to choose a homeserver to have an account on so that my messages from the gitter client (logged in with gh) and the messages from a matrix client are from the same user. Would github…
There isn't really a plan for private/invite-only rooms but we could possibly support `virtualUsers` in the `sd.extraMembers`(security descriptor) field to allow inviting Matrix people to a private Gitter room.
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Jabber needed reinventing. XMPP grew and thrived in the early 2000s and died as every participant fragmented off to spin up a proprietary walled garden replacement. You then need something better than XMPP to fight back against that partitioning of the messaging space because XMPP implementations became too fragmented in feature compatibility to reliably compete.
XMPP is anything but dead yet. There were a lot of XEPs added and updated in recent years and it turned into a modern protocol being able to provide all features you could expect from a modern messaging service. It's just that you need a client and server that supports those features. Daniel Gultsch has written an Android client[1], that's as good as it can be. He also offers a maintained XMPP server [2] providing th…
Among other things, my server has message archiving configured for MUCs, but Conversations is the only client I've ever been able to get to sync that history locally. That's something I just don't ever have to worry about with Matrix. (Not that I don't have other complaints with Matrix.)
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Jabber needed reinventing. XMPP grew and thrived in the early 2000s and died as every participant fragmented off to spin up a proprietary walled garden replacement. You then need something better than XMPP to fight back against that partitioning of the messaging space because XMPP implementations became too fragmented in feature compatibility to reliably compete.
Part of me wonders if this is a fatal flaw in the very concept of distributed systems. It seems to me that as soon as a protocol or technology loses its single authority (multiple companies write implementations) it becomes feature frozen since it would be impossible for multiple companies to come to an agreement on what the new features should be or getting them all to implement them. If matrix actually does succeed…
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It's totally different because it is a message syncing http+json API and totally not a messaging and presence protocol based on XML. /joke It is interesting because Matrix has money thus full-time developers, marketing, exposure, and time to defend their work to the depth of the deepest reddit thread. (The Element page on F-Droid reads "Element is able to do all this because it operates on Matrix - the standard for o…
I love that all 3 of the snarky points here are illfounded :D Yes, Matrix is a conversation history syncing protocol, and XMPP is a message-passing protocol. They genuinely are fundamentally different. It's a bit like the difference between SVG and Canvas. Sure, you can use both to draw pretty vector artwork. But one's an object graph, and the other's immediate mode. In terms of Matrix having money: yup, it's true th…
I truly hope that Matrix+Gitter becomes the defacto standard when it comes to chat for open source communities. I think Discord is a bit ahead in terms of UX and features, but Matrix is catching up fast. I noticed that Element recently added support for Communities, which is sort of like a Discord server!