SpaceX gets $886M from FCC to subsidize Starlink in 35 states
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Re: SpaceX gets $886M from FCC to subsidize Starlink in 35 states
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very doubtful starlink will work close to major metro areas. They may ration service to a few people in big cities but i'm doubtful they will offer it at all to be honest.
Why in the world wouldn't they offer it everywhere at whatever their max terminal per square mile is?
I could be wrong but my guess is they will blacklist areas near cities entirely at least to begin with and focus on very rural areas with literally no alternative (no LTE etc).
Personally I think Starlink is going to have capacity crisis quickly if takeup is anywhere near as strong as demand seems to be and I'm sure SpaceX know this, so by fcoussing almost entirely on very rural areas (and maybe niche commercial/govt uses in more urban enviroments) they have a chance at managing demand a bit. Or they will start ramping up cost of service and/or putting very punitive bandwidth caps on (like all other sat providers).
I still think Starlink is an amazing breakthrough, but it really is a solution only for the 'last'/most rural 1% of households (or less).
Re: SpaceX gets $886M from FCC to subsidize Starlink in 35 states
#63If there is any corporate entity I'd happy giving public funding, it would be SpaceX. Their end goal is to settle Mars and potentially other bodies in the solar system. Compared with the absurd amounts of money wasted on defense contractors, I am perfectly happy with funding SpaceX in every way possible.
He's eliminating gas vehicles, improving solar adoption, fixing rural internet, improving space science, making life interplanetary, etc.
It may be that Elon Musk types are extremely rare but I doubt they're as nearly as rare as most people think and we only need a thousand out of billions. The thing that makes him extremely rare, I think, is that he lucked upon a windfall of $200+ million from PayPal, a startup success that he had almost nothing to do with.
Now that I think about it, an Elon Musk Prize funded and designed by Elon Musk would be viable. His current net worth could fund 600+ Elon Musks. Elon Musk could create more Elon Musks...it's almost too simple!
Re: SpaceX gets $886M from FCC to subsidize Starlink in 35 states
#64All of Musk's endeavors are subsidized by public funds. He is the master of getting public money to develop his products.
Especially when you compare what Orion or paying the Russians for a ride to the ISS has cost.
Re: SpaceX gets $886M from FCC to subsidize Starlink in 35 states
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What percent of workers do work that can be done remotely?
Currently, or 5 years from now? Anyone working in the "services" industry, which is most of the United States, can work from home. And if the laws ever change for restaurants and auto-repair shops, I suspect you might see that being done from home as well.
Re: SpaceX gets $886M from FCC to subsidize Starlink in 35 states
#66I read a theory once that one of the reasons why so many Boomers were able to buy land or houses cheaply that later appreciated substantially in value was the interstate highway system built during WWII. Suddenly, a lot of real estate was in easy driving range of employers, and so there was a period of over-supply of highly desirable real estate. I wonder if Starlink (and changes in work expectations due to the pande…
What percent of workers do work that can be done remotely?
Not all jobs can be done remotely, but for the ones that can, the various impediments seem to be dropping away.
Re: SpaceX gets $886M from FCC to subsidize Starlink in 35 states
#67Re: SpaceX gets $886M from FCC to subsidize Starlink in 35 states
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
SpaceX is also a defense contractor. https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/10/05/nro-reveals-plans-for-...
Good. They seem to be the first defense contractor in a long time, maybe ever, with a specific eye on controlling costs. It may not be this way forever, but for now the taxpayers should get the savings where they can.
The problem is over-run and underestimation, and the govts' lack of flexibility with regards to contract termination in most instances.
2) Defense spending has been historically hovering between 15-25 percent in the United States.
'Taxpayer savings' does not, nor has it ever, indicated more money in the hands of the taxpayer -- it indicates how many new projects will be budgeted.
In other words : The tax payer saves nothing, but the military is given extra toys within the same budget.
Now, whether or not you are for or against the further arming of our troops and allied fighters -- that's a personal question.. but let's not pretend this equates to saved cash for the citizenry.
Re: SpaceX gets $886M from FCC to subsidize Starlink in 35 states
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
My recent employer was one of the ISP providing rural telecom service. These subsidies accounted for a hefty percentage of our income and the company was still perpetually on the edge of failure. Most of our competitors were in similar situations, loaded down with breathtakingly large amounts of debt and expensive to maintain decaying infrastructure, much of it purchased from the Baby Bells when they got out of the m…
According to Morgan Stanley (not the final arbiter) Starlink is the bulk of SpaceX's commercial value: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/22/morgan-stanley-spacex-to-be-... SpaceX currently has a massive cost advantage in replenishing the satellite fleet which ever advancing equipment. It already offers the lowest transcontinental latencies which for high frequency trading alone would be a bonanza.
Inter-satellite optical links aren't ready yet (and they're only barely getting to MVP on their initial generation sat shell). When those come online yes, Starlink should have a latency advantage over most any distance sufficiently long enough to make up their fixed RTT mileage cost with their 40% speed advantage vs standard optical fiber [1]. But for the current and near future deployment Starlink satellites act purely as "bent pipes" connecting terminals to a groundstation, both with LOS to the sat.
HFT gets cited a lot but probably one of their biggest bonanzas once intersat links are up will be marine and aviation internet. If you think rural pricing is bad...
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1: Possibly with a very few rarified exceptions that use terrestrial microwave links or if someone went to the trouble of using photonic bandgap fiber.
Re: SpaceX gets $886M from FCC to subsidize Starlink in 35 states
#70Riddle me this, would SpaceX not have built out Starlink if they didn't get this subsidy? Since they already put Starlink satellites in orbit without any guarantees of subsidies, was this good use of government funds?
If it helps ensure the diversity of ISP competition in the US market, then yes. $886m is a bargain if it helps meaningfully with that (assuming it's not a frequent subsidy). There is a large difference between putting up a few percent of their constellation to reach initial minimum viability and putting up enough satellites to properly cover the rest of the world (a very expensive endeavor that will take years). Plus…
The US ISP market is already fairly diverse. There are some 3000 ISPs in the US.
> $886m is a bargain if it helps meaningfully with that (assuming it's not a frequent subsidy).
Aye, therein lies the rub. Starlink will require a frequent and recurring subsidy, unless it can become profitable on its own.
Each and every satellite they put up will burn up in five years.
> There is a large difference between putting up a few percent of their constellation to reach initial minimum viability and putting up enough satellites to properly cover the rest of the world (a very expensive endeavor that will take years).
Maybe Starlink should have been required to demonstrate viability before allowing it to qualify for government subsidies?
> Plus, the US Government may directly benefit in a very big way from utilizing Starlink and that may make it a bargain compared to the alternatives. If US defense contractors were building that constellation, they'd be spending ten times what SpaceX is. > > And that's before we get to the potential for intelligence gathering globally. The powers that be will be all over that, no matter what SpaceX claims to the contrary (SpaceX will have a gun to their head and will not have a choice, just as the Prism gang had no choice).
If the DoD wants Starlink then they should pay for it themselves.