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Re: EmacsConf 2020 Talks

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Post by jrockway »

zarkov99 wrote: post #48
jrockway wrote: post #43

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What's there to talk about? You install it and suddenly you have the same programming language features that everyone else does, but in an editor that can actually manipulate text.

Do you really? I have been trying to get it to run properly for years for c++ and I found it buggy to the point of uselessness.

C++ depends heavily on the build system, and it offers no opinion about the build system. That's the problem I've always run into trying to use clangd on a project that wasn't designed for clangd -- there's some Make rule that's important but doesn't fit into their model.

The people having success with language servers are using a language that bundles a build system, which is common in more modern languages.

Re: EmacsConf 2020 Talks

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Post by zarkov99 »

jrockway wrote: post #81
zarkov99 wrote: post #48

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Do you really? I have been trying to get it to run properly for years for c++ and I found it buggy to the point of uselessness.

C++ depends heavily on the build system, and it offers no opinion about the build system. That's the problem I've always run into trying to use clangd on a project that wasn't designed for clangd -- there's some Make rule that's important but doesn't fit into their model. The people having success with language servers are using a language that bundles a build system, which is common in more modern languages.

I think VS Code does a better job than emacs with C++ intellisense with the same constraints. CMake is fast becoming the defacto build system for C++.

Re: EmacsConf 2020 Talks

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Post by dmm »

posharma wrote: post #31

I've been a long time emacs user and switched to vscode recently. Seriously, vscode is so much easier to configure and use.

It matters a lot to me that several of the interesting parts of vscode are proprietary and not free or open source. In particular the liveshare and remote features are proprietary. Many extensions contain proprietary parts, like the c# debugger.

Re: EmacsConf 2020 Talks

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Post by g8oz »

rethab wrote: post #63
zascrash wrote: post #28

I would like to use emacs and org mode to organise my life. But I think without it being useful on mobile phone, for me is a no go. I will keep using Google calendar for now.

Do you know about organice? https://organice.200ok.ch/

I want that in a desktop Electron app.

Re: EmacsConf 2020 Talks

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Post by EdwardCoffin »

gumby wrote: post #15
hereisdx wrote: post #4

Q. Would you mind sharing your Emacs configuration files? Richard Stallman: Configuration files are personal and will not be shared. This cracked me up! xD

EMACS was developed on ITS, a multi user timesharing operating system with no security. I developed a complex init file (in TECO of course) which was a compiled module in my home directory. One day I changed something in an incompatible way and received complaints. Unbeknownst to me there was a community of people who linked (symlinked) directly to my init file and whose workflows were disrupted by my change.

Were there any interesting consequences? Like did you consequently avoid making disrupting changes to your own init file, or did people agree to make copies instead of rely on links?

Re: EmacsConf 2020 Talks

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Post by Wildgoose »

Pumafied wrote: post #52
Wildgoose wrote: post #46

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I do this on a Gemini PDA-phone with an integrated keyboard. It's great!

Oh my word that device is awesome thanks for this comment!! I know what I’m going to be picking up in the future

Take a look at the AstroSlide 5G phone with integrated keyboard that they are releasing early next year - I have mine on order.

Re: EmacsConf 2020 Talks

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Post by justinhj »

neilv wrote: post #13
downrightmike wrote: post #10

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Wow, send a bill to the company and ask them to renew their site license for the emacs config. Or opensource what you can of it and remove the competitive advantage they have.

As much as I'm a fan of Emacs, I don't think a .emacs file had much to do with that startup's success. He just wanted to see the UX and features that were possible for a particular purpose, for ideas and competitive analysis. But I did opensource a minority of the bits. :) https://www.neilvandyke.org/emacs/

Not unless the startup was Amazon, which used emacs as an application platform for all their customer support :)

Re: EmacsConf 2020 Talks

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Post by justinhj »

na85 wrote: post #57
rasengan0 wrote: post #26

Big fan of Sacha Chua: much to learn by way of emacs, productivity and org life https://sachachua.com/blog/emacs/

I've been dabbling with emacs for a number of years now, and I felt that my init/config file was pretty hefty at (currently an all-time high of) 186 lines. Then a few years ago I encountered Sacha's and my mouth literally dropped. I've always wanted to ask, and here's as good a place as any. Is her config an outlier in its size and breadth? I feel like it almost has to be.

Your config should be as big as you need it to be. I’ve been using Emacs for 20 years and I tend to use features with default keybindings and stick to a small number. There’s no right way to do it

Re: EmacsConf 2020 Talks

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Post by neilv »

justinhj wrote: post #87
neilv wrote: post #13

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As much as I'm a fan of Emacs, I don't think a .emacs file had much to do with that startup's success. He just wanted to see the UX and features that were possible for a particular purpose, for ideas and competitive analysis. But I did opensource a minority of the bits. :) https://www.neilvandyke.org/emacs/

Not unless the startup was Amazon, which used emacs as an application platform for all their customer support :)

Totally believeable. I had one research prototype that invoked an Emacs process for every Web CGI request. To get that kind of R&D rapid development productivity, I then had to start building out libraries for Scheme. :)
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