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Re: PR firm pushing anti-Google message for undisclosed client

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More likely to be Facebook, since Social Circles seems to be directly competing with them, not Microsoft.

Which is kind of funny, comparing GOOG's privacy with Facebook's privacy.

Google has far more sensitive information on me than Facebook. Facebook only has publicly facing information, stuff that you've already shared with other people.

Google has my searches, and what I've clicked on. And good luck trying to get them to forget those logs.

Re: PR firm pushing anti-Google message for undisclosed client

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post #28

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I think he's referring to the lack of privacy and information control even within Facebook - there are persistent claims from former engineers there that user privacy isn't taken seriously, and that breaches of user privacy by employees occurs often and with relative impunity.

As a current engineer at Facebook, I would be really surprised to read anyone claiming we don't "take it seriously." It absorbs an enormous amount of engineering effort, thought around new products, and even cap ex: computing visibility for objects whose permissions are "friends of friends", for example, is computationally expensive.

What of the claims that information control is extremely loose internally - i.e., an employee can easily gain access to users' private data without sufficient gating, and that accesses such as these are not easily auditable?

Re: PR firm pushing anti-Google message for undisclosed client

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is kind of funny, comparing GOOG's privacy with Facebook's privacy.

Google has far more sensitive information on me than Facebook. Facebook only has publicly facing information, stuff that you've already shared with other people. Google has my searches, and what I've clicked on. And good luck trying to get them to forget those logs.

Unfortunately, you are not representative of the average Facebook user. The average Facebook user is much less privacy savvy. Not everyone uses Google (most do), and Gmail surprisingly isn't the most popular internet mail.

Facebook may not know as much about you, but they often know much more detailed information (ie, where you were last night).

Most of Facebook's users don't consider their "wall" to be public despite the fact that Facebook defaults it to be so (and has repeatedly reset privacy settings in the past to be "more public"). Complicate this with the fact that others can "implicate" you with their messages written on your wall. Despite you hiding them, they are there, in Facebook's servers just like your Google searches... except you didn't write them.

Re: PR firm pushing anti-Google message for undisclosed client

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is kind of funny, comparing GOOG's privacy with Facebook's privacy.

Google has far more sensitive information on me than Facebook. Facebook only has publicly facing information, stuff that you've already shared with other people. Google has my searches, and what I've clicked on. And good luck trying to get them to forget those logs.

"Facebook only has publicly facing information, stuff that you've already shared with other people."

Ummm, and maybe every site you ever visited whose owners display those funny "like" buttons.

Re: PR firm pushing anti-Google message for undisclosed client

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has far more sensitive information on me than Facebook. Facebook only has publicly facing information, stuff that you've already shared with other people. Google has my searches, and what I've clicked on. And good luck trying to get them to forget those logs.

Unfortunately, you are not representative of the average Facebook user. The average Facebook user is much less privacy savvy. Not everyone uses Google (most do), and Gmail surprisingly isn't the most popular internet mail. Facebook may not know as much about you, but they often know much more detailed information (ie, where you were last night). Most of Facebook's users don't consider their "wall" to be public despit…

Unfortunately, you are not representative of the average Facebook user. The average Facebook user is much less privacy savvy.

Facebook doesn't know anything about anyone that they're not comfortable sharing with at least one other person. Google knows things about people they would never share with anyone. That's a fundamental difference, not related to privacy savvy.

Facebook does have lots of dirt people only want to share with a few people, however.

Re: PR firm pushing anti-Google message for undisclosed client

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Seems like a good time to revist Paul's essay "The Submarine:" PR is not dishonest. Not quite. In fact, the reason the best PR firms are so effective is precisely that they aren't dishonest. They give reporters genuinely valuable information. A good PR firm won't bug reporters just because the client tells them to; they've worked hard to build their credibility with reporters, and they don't want to destroy it by fee…

Selective truth != truth. I'd say selectively presenting one side is dishonest. I don't have anything against companies who are dishonest, but let's call a spade a spade: PR companies are spin doctors. They're dishonest. That's not quite straight out lying, but to me the very definition of dishonesty is not presenting all of the truth if you can.

Re: PR firm pushing anti-Google message for undisclosed client

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he's referring to the lack of privacy and information control even within Facebook - there are persistent claims from former engineers there that user privacy isn't taken seriously, and that breaches of user privacy by employees occurs often and with relative impunity.

As a current engineer at Facebook, I would be really surprised to read anyone claiming we don't "take it seriously." It absorbs an enormous amount of engineering effort, thought around new products, and even cap ex: computing visibility for objects whose permissions are "friends of friends", for example, is computationally expensive.

When Zuckerberg is running around saying that wanting to share things with only certain people shows a "lack of integrity" (http://eparnell.net/?p=169), it's not an unreasonable preconception.
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